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Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:50 pm Reply and quote this post
k my friend works for a marketing agency so, people will come in from cars dealers ect wanting commercials, ads, websites ect. so he does 3d rendering photoshop, flash, director and all that stuff currently he has

2 pentium3's 1.0GHZ

3GB's of PC133 SDRAM

Geforce FX 5700

It is very old and slow and crashes alot under the stress he puts it under so he's looking at building a new computer so i chose a layout and i want your guys advice.


GIGABYTE GA-2CEWH Dual Core Opteron/2LAN/EATX Server Board     $398.95
\"AMD Opteron Processor Model 244 940-pin, Retail\"     $178.75
\"AMD Opteron Processor Model 244 940-pin, Retail\"     $178.75
DDR400 1GB Kingston Original Memory     $84.35
DDR400 1GB Kingston Original Memory     $84.35
DDR400 1GB Kingston Original Memory     $84.35
DDR400 1GB Kingston Original Memory     $84.35
Sapphire ATI Radeon X1800XT 512MB Dual DVI/VIVO PCI-Express Video Card     $469.65
Western Digital WD2500SD 250GB SATA 7200RPM 8MB RAID Hard Drive     $100.00
Antec Titan 550W EPS Server Case     $170.70
BenQ DQ60 16X DVD+/-RW Drive w/NERO (Black)     $38.90
Seasonic S12 600W P4 / Xeon SLI ATX Power Supply     $119.20

                                                                         \"$1,992.30 \"


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Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:54 pm Reply and quote this post
What is his budget?
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:30 pm Reply and quote this post
$2500 max i think.
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Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:26 pm Reply and quote this post
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will 550W be enough for this?

I highly doubt it.  You're going to need like a 650W, imo.

Anyways, I think it would be better to go with a 7800GTX, so he can add a second one in in the future.


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Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:27 pm Reply and quote this post
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k my friend works for a marketing agency so, people will come in from cars dealers ect wanting commercials, ads, websites ect. so he does 3d rendering photoshop, flash, director and all that stuff currently he has

2 pentium3's 1.0GHZ

3GB's of PC133 SDRAM

Geforce FX 5700

It is very old and slow and crashes alot under the stress he puts it under so he's looking at building a new computer so i chose a layout and i want your guys advice.

GIGABYTE GA-2CEWH Dual Core Opteron/2LAN/EATX Server Board $398.95
\"AMD Opteron Processor Model 244 940-pin, Retail\"     $178.75
\"AMD Opteron Processor Model 244 940-pin, Retail\"     $178.75
DDR400 1GB Kingston Original Memory     $84.35
DDR400 1GB Kingston Original Memory     $84.35
DDR400 1GB Kingston Original Memory     $84.35
DDR400 1GB Kingston Original Memory     $84.35
DDR400 1GB Kingston Original Memory     $84.35
DDR400 1GB Kingston Original Memory     $84.35
DDR400 1GB Kingston Original Memory     $84.35
DDR400 1GB Kingston Original Memory     $84.35
MSI GeForce 7800GT 256MB DVI/VIVO PCI-Express Video Card     $328.25
MSI GeForce 7800GT 256MB DVI/VIVO PCI-Express Video Card     $328.25
Western Digital WD2500SD 250GB SATA 7200RPM 8MB RAID Hard Drive     $100.00
Antec Titan 550W EPS Server Case     $170.70
BenQ DQ60 16X DVD+/-RW Drive w/NERO (Black)     $38.90

                                                        $2,397.35

will 550W be enough for this?

2 7800GT's is completely useless. For less, you could have an X1800XT which outperforms 2 7800's in SLI. Or if you really want, get the 512MB 7800GTX. Also, you may want to consider the PC Power & Cooling 850W Turbo PSU.


Last edited by Predator on Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:28 pm; edited 1 time in total

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Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:46 am Reply and quote this post
A quality 550w is more then enough. However, I wouldn't suggest that Antec. Get a Sparkle FSP550-60PLG.

Also, is he even going to be doing any gaming at all? I think 8GB of RAM is overkill. 4GB should be enough. Also, with the saved money you could get some SCSI drives which would help a lot.

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I highly doubt it. You're going to need like a 650W, imo.


If we were talking about crappy PSU's then this would hold true. You would have to get the 650w to make up for its suckiness. However, a quality 550w would be more then enough.

The PC P&C 510 is also a great choice, but considering the difference in price between the Sparkle and the PC P&C is so large and the Sparkle is just as capable I would get the Sparkle.


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Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:18 am Reply and quote this post
Split rails are a detriment to me.

Also, I'd grab a Fortron 650 (although, 36A 12V is pretty dang good).  That RAM and dual CPU system will suck a lot of juice.  Or, better yet, look at the PC Power and Cooling power supplies.

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Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:24 am Reply and quote this post
It is certainly a useless feature as their is no need to adjust the rails. If the power supply has good regulation the voltages should not drop even if you are heavily loading it. Also, the dropping voltage with load is the symptom, not the problem. The problem is the supply is nearing its maximum output, and just cranking up the pots doesn't make the supply more powerful.

If you have a supply of adequate output with competent regulation, the only reason you would ever have to set the pots would be if they were set incorrectly to start with. If you have to crank the pots up to get the voltages reasonable with the load you are driving, you are overloading the supply.

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Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:29 am Reply and quote this post
If you want really quiet PSU that performs well, I'd take a look @ the Seasonic S12-600:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16817151025

The OCZ PowerStream 520W SLi is also a good performer:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16817711002

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Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:04 am Reply and quote this post
2 rails mean not as much of the total can be used.  You may have to run one rail at 17A and the other at 17.5 (because another device would take either over the max of 19), where you could run 36A out of 38 with a single rail solution.

That means 34.5A vs. 36 useable amps.

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Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:47 am Reply and quote this post
Predator, did you even read the THG review? The  article was written almost 2 years ago and all they measured was maximum wattage, noise level at min & max load, and efficiency. Also, although mentioned in the beginning, the article doesn't give much detail of how tight the rails are under load, which indicates stability. PC P&C is known to keep 1% voltage regulation while true control is 3%, other standard PSUs are 5% on the +3.3V, +5V, and +12V rails.

Overall it is a really poor PSU review.

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If you want really quiet PSU that performs well, I'd take a look @ the Seasonic S12-600:


This is actually a good recommendation.

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Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:40 pm Reply and quote this post
yeah it's no emergency i think he'll wait till '06 to see who comes out on top for processors.

he uses an external hard drive for backup.


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Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:42 pm Reply and quote this post
If he can wait, it is best to do so.
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:48 pm Reply and quote this post
and when you were talking about amd duel core processor's which ones the opterons or the X2's.
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Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:29 pm Reply and quote this post
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and when you were talking about amd duel core processor's which ones the opterons or the X2's.

Opterons.

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