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Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:30 pm Reply and quote this post
Just been reading this and no wonder criminals aren't bothered about going to jail:

Last month, warders at the maximum security Wakefield Prison found that some inmates, including sex offenders, were using their PS2s to watch pornographic DVDs.

Wakefield MP Mary Creagh demanded that authorities at the prison, which houses Roy Whiting and Ian Huntley, implement tougher controls to clamp down on the viewing of pornography.

Following the discovery, prisoners were banned from having the consoles in their cells - and nine of those who had their PS2s taken away received a total of £1800 in compensation. The Prison Service argued that this was simply a case of refunding the men, who purchased the PS2s with their own money.

It's thought that a failure to offer compensation could have been seen as a breach of human rights - and that the threat of legal action may have influenced the decision.

The move has been strongly condemned by local politicians and victims' groups. Norman Brennan, chairman of the Victim of Crime Trust, told the Yorkshire Post that it made "a mockery of the whole criminal justice system."

Creagh said she also disagreed with the decision, on the grounds that prisoners "have forfeited the right to free enjoyment and possession of PlayStations by using them in this way."

A spokesperson for the Prison Service said: "The prisoners were not given compensation, but were refunded for their PlayStations."

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Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:33 pm Reply and quote this post
Seems fair to the prisoners to me... Maybe they could have hired a modder to stop the Ps2's playing the DVD's, or if they could confiscate the PS2, why didn't they just confiscate the porn DVD's? Another option would be having a GameCube, then again, that would suit an under-10s young offenders institute, and their probebly not intelligent enought for an Xbox!!  
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Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:24 pm Reply and quote this post
Guess who pays for at least half of what prisoners have....the taxpayer. Prisoners, when put in prison, are more of an economic burden to society than if they were free (at least when free, they would still be purchasing goods - by stealing money to do so).

The taxpayer pays for food, clothing, water, the prison itself, the prison wardens/police, weapons, security system, beds, sewage, various recreation facilities, educational facilites, health facilities, heating, transportation, vehicles, drivers, cleaning staff, catering staff and the list goes on. And on. And on. In fact, I forgot electricity.

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Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:41 pm Reply and quote this post
I wonder how they could watch videos anyways on a ps2?  there would have to be some kind of  screen or portable tv in the jail with them. unless your talking about the ps2 portable witch i don't know all that much about. any how I did not think jails would let that get through in the first place.
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Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:52 pm Reply and quote this post
Prisoners have TVs, PS2s, DVD players. I don't think they have computers - access to the outside world has to be restricted (i.e. they only contact lawyers or family members, possibly close friends). They have loads of things for entertainment, though.
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Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:25 am Reply and quote this post
And so they should; the thing is, I think alot of the people in prisons will be mentally unstable, or in there for offenses where they don't need to be kept from the outside world. Britain puts more people in prision that the rest of Europe [excluding America!].

No kidding Sam, what a shame America doesn't happen to be in Europe! - Jonny aka Spakkeh


The prision sentences are pointless in this day and age, the morals behind it are outdated; unless they serve a purpose, i.e for very dangerous people, even then they could be rehabilitated to some extent, as I would never agree with capital puishment in any way. I think 80 or even 90 percent of people in prisions could be rehabilitated, and the rest would be mentally unstable, but either way, when they are released, they will want to commit moe crime as revenge, or to attepmt to rebuild there lives.

Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips told the Guardian that offenders should be rehabilitated in the community, and be sent to jail only as a last resort.
He told the newspaper that short prison sentences were pointless.
Lord Woolf, another senior judge, told the BBC more people were being put in prison because judges no longer had enough discretion over sentences.

The judges' comments come as the prison population of England and Wales stands at 77,640 - about 2,000 short of capacity.

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Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:35 am Reply and quote this post
In germany, prisoners work to get money, and are able to buy themself stuff they need, as long as its no danger for the Prison...
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Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:09 pm Reply and quote this post
Ive never been in one and I don't want to either but from what ive seen on tv and stuff jails seem pretty boring and dull.
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Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:08 am Reply and quote this post
Well i wouldn't say that, a friend of mine once was in prison, they got there own tv, playstation etc etc.... IN THEIR ROOMS!! It the tax payers who are giving prisons what they need. However i feel that if you have commited a crime you should pay for it, not get everything you need.... What is the world comming to???
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Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:23 am Reply and quote this post
So much for punishment! I'll bet that there are a number of prisoners who are simply homeless tramps looking for somewhere to live.
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Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:32 am Reply and quote this post
It is true, that many prisoners try to get in to Jail so they can have some shelter, guarunteed food, and a bed at night. I think it's better than the death penalty of course, in any case, but I think that the answer is simply that too many people are put in to prision. It doesnt help the people, over 80% are mentally unstable; rehabilitation, community service and other methods like that should be used, a prisions only when the person who commited the crime is very dangerous, in cases like murder or sex offences, or abuse, and robbery.
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Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:35 pm Reply and quote this post
Just to comment Our state of North Carolina is one of the few states that still has the death penalty I belive.
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Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:27 am Reply and quote this post
Do you think thats a good thing? I think that is totally unacceptable in the 21st century.
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Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:39 am Reply and quote this post
there shouldnt be a death penalty in any country, if some one has murdered you should deport them or something, but never should you kill them.
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Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:12 am Reply and quote this post
I belive the death penalty is a good thing Sam. as I say if u kill someone you should be killed yourself.
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