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Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:00 pm Reply and quote this post
Well, I have passed like 15 hours total reading and learning as much as i can about everything to build my new pc, but nothing is better than experience for that so thats why Id like to have real pr0s advices :P

I have 1000$ canadian.


The pc has to have:

dualcore amd or intel
graphic card 256 mb
win xp home <---- need real one for servicepack 2 :S
1gb DDR2 533 ram


I visited a shop and they gave me this option:

pentium D 2.8ghz                                            246$
motherboard Asus P5LD2  945                           152$
2x512 DDR2 533                                              138$
80gb memory                                                   62$
ASUS X550 256MB DDR TV-OUT PCI Express ATI   86$
CD-RW LG 52X/32X/52X                                     30$
350 WATTS box                                                48$
Win XP home                                                    130$


They also sell:

Processors:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ FSB500 1024k   355$
Pentium D. 920 2.8GHZ  FSB800              299$
PentiumD 805 2.66GHX  FSB533              161$

Motherboards:
Motherboard P5LD2-VM  intel                   134$
I have no Idea about AMD motherboards

Video Cards:
Asus EN 6600 TD/256/TV-O/DVI/VGA [PCI Express NVIDIA]      124$

www.superinfotech.com is the website of the shop, they have a huge pricelist for everything the main page is in french but the pricelist is in french and english. In main page, just click on Liste des prix.


Well basically this is what catches my attention, but I'm new around here so any suggestions, even if they dont fit with what I posted that the pc has to have, will be welcome :)

After reading forums, I realy dont know if i should get NVIDIA or ATI for graphic card, also intel or AMD.
I noticed that AMD has only 500FSB and PentiumD 2.8 has 800FSB, is it very different?

Also, with the budget I have, what pc would you buy for yourself?


post here plz or add me neto-1337@hotmail.com


Last edited by Neto on Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:01 pm; edited 1 time in total

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Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:16 pm Reply and quote this post
Your best performing option at the moment would be an AMD Athlon 64 X2-based system. Pentium D's not only get beaten by Athlon 64 X2's, they also consume more power than them.

-Pikl

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Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:13 pm Reply and quote this post
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Your best performing option at the moment would be an AMD Athlon 64 X2-based system. Pentium D's not only get beaten by Athlon 64 X2's, they also consume more power than them.

-Pikl

I agree. As far as your video card, I would suggest nVidia unless you plan to upgrade to Windows Vista when it comes out (then I would suggest and ATI graphics card. The reason for this is that nVidia beats ATI in performance, but nVidia works better with OpenGL. ATI works better with Direct X. Windows Vista is not going to have support for OpenGL, so you will not be able to use your nVidia card to its full capabilities.

As far as an nVidia graphics card, I would recommend one of the new 7900s. They are relatively cheap ($300-$400 USD; I don't know what that would be in Canadian). In my opinion, even if you went a little over budget, it would be worth it to get one of these cards.

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Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:29 pm Reply and quote this post
Windows Vista won't have support for OpenGL? That gives me one more reason not to upgrade.
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Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:01 pm Reply and quote this post
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Windows Vista won't have support for OpenGL?


Where the hell do people get this crap from? Vista definitely has support for OpenGL and it is better then it has ever been.

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Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:27 pm Reply and quote this post
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Windows Vista won't have support for OpenGL?


Where the hell do people get this crap from? Vista definitely has support for OpenGL and it is better then it has ever been.

Really? Last I heard, Microsoft was not going to include any support for it at all. I'll do a little research right now.

EDIT: Here is one small article that sheds some light on the story-

http://www.digg.com/technology/Microsoft_f...s_Vista_support


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Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:06 pm Reply and quote this post
problem is Athlon x2 3800+ goes for 355$ and pentium D. 2.8ghz goes for 246$ :S

btw, the only game im planing to play is counter-strike.


Last edited by Neto on Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:35 pm; edited 1 time in total

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Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:31 am Reply and quote this post
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Really? Last I heard, Microsoft was not going to include any support for it at all. I'll do a little research right now.


You... um.... you're link shows that Microsoft is supporting OpenGL. The title of the Digg entry you linked is, \"Microsoft finally enables OpenGL Windows Vista support.\" Discussion of this matter any further is moot.

I'm compelled to agree with Kooldrew on this one. Where do all of these claims about Windows Vista come from? I've not heard ANYTHING good about Windows Vista from people. Someone I frequently debate with is convinced that Vista will allow people to spy on you, not that it will matter as that individual is similarly convinced it will require 2 GB of RAM and a 4 GHz to 6 GHz dual-core processor to run.

ARGH. Vista is going to facking rule.

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problem is Athlon x2 3800+ goes for 355$ and pentium D. 2.8ghz goes for 246$ :S


Well, I'll put it bluntly. A Pentium D at 2.8 GHz will run any game you want to play just fine. I currently play games on a single-core 3.0 GHz processor just fine, and a Pentium D at 2.8 GHz is essentially two of my processors in one. Get a good graphics card, a gig of quick RAM (533 MHz DDR2 should suffice) and a good heatsink/fan assembly for your CPU.

On the flip side, the Athlon 64 X2 3800+ will perform much better in everything, and it will run cooler and consume less power to boot. The Pentium D 820 really is a good deal, if you're not the one paying the power bill.

As for graphics card, I would go with an Nvidia just because they currently match ATI's offerings on a price point, consume less power and are just as powerful. Nvidia drivers are also much less of a hassle. That said, ATI does make a mean card, and where Nvidia trounces ATI cards in OpenGL games, ATI smushes Nvidia in Direct3D applications.

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btw, the only game im planing to play is counter-strike.


Since you say that you're really only interested in CounterStrike: Source, I'll say this: An ATI card will perform better at that game than it's Nvidia equivalent (IE, an X800 XL will trounce a 6800 GT). That said, the Source engine is so efficient that it doesn't matter -- without the aid of an external application like FRAPS you won't be able to tell the difference.

I don't know how the pricing is in Canada, but from what I can see initially, it's a little bit more expensive. One hopes Newegg can quickly alleviate this situation. In any case, the best sub-$200 graphics card I can find would be a tie between the Geforce 6600 GT and the Radeon X800 GTO or GTO2. I would only go with the Radeon if you really want some speed and if you're willing to d**k around with your card. If you're not, the 6600 GT is just as fast and supports Shader Model 3.0 (which give you some eye candy in supported games). If you're willing to put between $200 to $300 for your video card, I'd get the Geforce 7600 GT. Finally, if you're willing to put away some greens for a cranking fast graphics card, I'd spend it on the Geforce 7800 GT.

You'll get great performance with those cards.


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Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:07 am Reply and quote this post
:) ty for helping

but now i got another idea.

what if i buy a normal procesor, not a dualcore, that way i will be able to spend more on a video card.

Are dualcore procesors like twice faster than normal ones?

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Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:07 pm Reply and quote this post
I found some sellers for some parts of my pc, are they good or not enough?

ATI RADEON x700 PRO 256MB   Seller price: 100$     shop price: 200$

ASUS P5ND2-SLI Deluxe     Seller price: 140$       Shop Price: 190$


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Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:26 pm Reply and quote this post
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Really? Last I heard, Microsoft was not going to include any support for it at all. I'll do a little research right now.


You... um.... you're link shows that Microsoft is supporting OpenGL. The title of the Digg entry you linked is, \"Microsoft finally enables OpenGL Windows Vista support.\" Discussion of this matter any further is moot.


Maybe if you read the article you will understand.

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Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:27 pm Reply and quote this post
You don't need a dual core for good gaming. In fact, some of the single core Athlon 64's are better, as long as you don't want to multitask. You can also find a cheaper motherboard than that ASUS. Do you really need SLI?
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Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:59 pm Reply and quote this post
:P
I dont even know what sli means :)

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Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:13 pm Reply and quote this post
It means having two video cards in your computer, hooked together, so that your video card-intensive stuff (mostly games) run better and smoother.
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Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:09 pm Reply and quote this post
oooo :D thx
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