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Well i thought as am on my Dinner break with a few guys from my work at ATI Radeon, we tohught we would have a look at this forum to see whats going down in the world of this generation of gaming.
We thought that we would discuss what is better PC vs THE CONSOLE,
Well as am sure most of you know being at ATI you would think we would all select PC being the best option, as no matter how fast your console is, or how good the graphics are they are still not going to be as a PC.
But here at ATI we have alot of arrguments about this discusion as it is that Consoles today do offer a more high standard of comfort and qualification than any PC will have for the next few years.
This is from nothing but DESIGN.. a console is a device all designed to fit into a small box that goes nicely under your television set, and it sue to this that the design has to be made smaller, more compacted but also look good.
From just this as it smaller that in its self brings up thousands of complication, a few being HEAT, CHIPSET SIZE, PCB BOARDS, WIRES, CONTROL ACTIVITY, all this must be looked at.
But yes as we all know that PC's will always be better due to the amount of revolution this decade has to offer, for example. You can buy a new Graphics Card for about 600pounds and two/ three weeks later there is a newer model, its all down to compition, this is where console also offer the standard, for example WII, XBOX and PS3, they too offer compition, more so than any PC will ever.
...and this from here:http://www.ivirtuaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=10121
Deadloss wrote:
From my last Post PC vs Console:
Well from that it is concluded that yes PC will always be better than a console, due to upgradability, conpared to a console (not saying you carnt upgrade a console as any console can be upgraded, knowing that you know how too)
Some Factors:
Processor
Graphics
RAM
HDD
Control
All these will always progress for each PC and Console, but PC being the machine of today, will alwaya be the latest thing. As everyday there is somthing new being thought off, and designed.
So from this you carnt really compare the two, just it depends on which you preffer, and being at ATI, PC's to me will always come first!
Deadloss Signing Out
"Next gen console are quickly becoming more powerful than any PC out there.
PS3 is 5 or 6 times better than a top spec PC you can build yourself.
Xbox360 and Wii are both the equivelent to a high end PC. Also consoles games can play so many more games, at better graphics.
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Lucas McCartney
Community Moderator Team & Business "
From the above which was posted by Lucas McCartney.... i am sorry to say that yes first you are rite consoles are becoming more and more powerful,
but the next thing to say is that NO the PS3 is no where near as powerful than what you can spec a PC at today, here we have done some digging up from ATI, and benched Tested a High End PC, to a PS3, as you know the PS3 is already released in Japan and for those lucky ones who have the time and money to get one you will know that they are some heavy peace of kit!
From this compared to a High end PC they do not compared with Specifications, to performance. The Console does give its money worth, but if you have to cash for a High end PC, then the PC will win.
Now we also compared it on speed, graphics, looks, stability, software engines and performance. Now even though the PS3 was a good subject to test, compared to the PC’s we tested they destroyed the PS3.
As we only test high end PC’s and not TOP End PC’s, (where we found the competition to be to much) for the PS3 to handle.
1) Yes the PS3 does give some high end PC’s (as we found) a really good run for there money, especially for graphics
2) The PS3 interface is really quick, quicker than any other version of PlayStation
3) And last but not least the PS3 (being a gamer myself) is worth ever penny highly recommended!
For more information we have asked permission to host a reveiw on this (with more information and depth at):
http://ati.amd.com/chs/index.html
The information will be posted on the 4th December
Remember, no matter how hard you try to argue that a PS3 or XBox 360 is better because of the price, there is a hidden cost. Your LCD or plasma. And if you want to get the most out of it, you're gonna be spending 7 or 8 grand for 1080i or 1080p for a while still, unless it's ridiculously small. And if you do spend that much, it's much better spent on a compy now. Thank god for the 8800GTX no?
Reply to the Above:
This is true my good friend:
Yes it also does depend on your TV Set, i have seen some great HD-TV's with high spec on www.ebuyer.com, and not for outrages prices.
At the moment i am using a Sony Bravia, but installing a Universal HD-Projector which hit the sotres 3weeks ago (which am sure most extrme gamers will have heard of being advertised with DELL, GeForce, and Radeon.
Quick Hint for those who know that Resolution is all down to HD the old Radeon 800 is a cheap, but fast and extremely high putting graphics card, which also supports HD Principles. (Also its a good card for those extreme people who like to Over Clock).
You can get some cheap HD Monitors now, but i'd recommend a projector and screen if you have the space as they can come only a little bit more, or even the same as a high end LCD. Projectors have come down in price alot, and a cheap projector does a great Job on any console! Most projectors are HD Ready
Whether PC or Console, you'll still have to get a monitor/visual output of some sort.
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Xbox360 and Wii are both the equivelent to a high end PC
Lucas, the Wii is not even a next gen console, they are not concentrating on power. None of those consoles come near to a "high end" PC... Although
Less power is needed to run a Game, as there are less background tasks, and the firmware is lighter than an OS like windows. (E.g. Differences in Boot time), however the PC also runs programs... like word and photoshop!! That has got to be an advantage In terms of gaming, the PC also means a much wider variety of downloadable Mods and content, and also accessories and peripherals!
Part of the reason that consoles are considered better at handling games, may be that a PC is more likely to be running background processes that can disturb a game's performance, but the real big one that will nearly always tip the performance scale in favour of a console is homogeneity. With a console, you know exactly what hardware each and every one of your buyers will be running, so optimizing your game is far, far easier.
Maybe Vista will have some better handling of games, so you can optimise background tasks; instead of having to use task manager.
This is the only issue I can think of when it comes to consoles vs Games, but my computer for the reasons i've already expressed in this thread, along with flexibility and software, and the fact I am not just using it for games, but for creative tasks, design, image handling, media, entertainment, outweighs any console, although the 360 comes close to that; you seem to be able to have more flexibility and control over a PC.
Different games and different people and gaming styles are suited to consoles (not forgetting handheld) and computers, otherwise they wouldn't be successful would they? Games like The Sims and Commander and Conquer fail on consoles, and I prefer driving games (unless you have a contoller/streering wheel) on consoles.
Yes (to the above) a PC does run programs in the background while playing games but here is a little secret for all those extreme gamers and coders (C++ Advanced)
If you create and partition a HDD then you are able run background task to an absolute minimum, I think in total is about 4tasks which only need to be ran to keep a computer with Windows XP able to play games and fully function to 100%
Why Partition: This is because after you go over the size of 450GB Hard Drive, then the drive itself in the background is already partitioned whether you do it yourself or not, this is a standard in computing.
If you creat another log you are able to keep systems from uploading onto your current system while playing games for example: Anti Virus, Security Warning, as these are all ready install onto the computer just on the other part of the HDD.
From this you are able to code the two partitions together in the BIOS using Creative-X (C++)
So for those extreme gamers, you are able to trick your computer that it is running all the programs it wants, but really it isn’t so you are able to run games at 100% and knowing that your computer is only concentrating on the game that you are playing. (P.S. it’s a good advantage when playing on a HD-TV).
I think we should start up a new topic about Windows Vista, a lot needs to be explained about this new operating system.
I say this is for only Crackers (means for people knowing C++ and above), as am sure most of your are aware you can download it from Microsoft’s Website but the main functions of it is for people that know C++.
Let me know if we should start a new debate and topic about Vista!
Yes it also does depend on your TV Set, i have seen some great HD-TV's with high spec on www.ebuyer.com, and not for outrages prices.
Unfortunately, although they are High Spec, unless you are running a 1080i/1080p HD plasma/LCD you are running at the basic resolution of most standard PC's, anywhere between 1600x1200 and 1920x1600. Low end computers may not be able to run at that res very well, on the other hand, any full kit compy that costs the same as a premium PS3 plus the 1080i (the lower spec of the High end) Plasma/LCD will run better than the PS3 by a reasonably large margin. Most High end Alienware costs as much or less than both of these items, and will run ten times better than Mr PS3.
Sam England wrote:
but i'd recommend a projector and screen if you have the space as they can come only a little bit more, or even the same as a high end LCD.
No High Definition on most projectors, if they do, they cost an exorbitant amount of money.
Deadloss wrote:
If you create and partition a HDD then you are able run background task to an absolute minimum, I think in total is about 4tasks which only need to be ran to keep a computer with Windows XP able to play games and fully function to 100%
Bullshit. I'm sorry, but this really is. To have your compy running stable you need a minimum of 14 processes. Not 4. You can get it down to 4 but the chances of your compy being remotely useable afterwards is nigh on zero.
Even if you do somehow trick your compy into believing it is running all necessary processes, IT ISN'T. You need 14. Period.
I think that because I use computers all the time for work, I associate better with a console for gaming. When I am gaming on a PC I will quite often multitask or feel the need to multitask and that can involve talking to clients etc. - e.g. playing Champ Manager I will chat on MSN between loading.
With a console it is a complete breakaway - there are no distractions, no links with work or otherwise. I guess that if I didn't spend all day coding on my PC I would probably look at it more for gaming.
That said I do play a few PC games - Second Life, Champ Manager and Civilization mainly.
Sam u knw wht i ment by "wii next gen" lol its just the next series in gaming.
Anywho my opinion 5 years ago would of been console.
But the average PC today is brilliant. Can do everything your console can just bigger and better.
You have access to everything you need in the palm of your hand with a PC. Consoles are indeed 80% or so game orientated. Which means they dont have the accessibility that your PC might have. You can do work on your PC, Download music and movies and pictures.
You can mod games, download games BUY GAMES. You have Ebay, amazon etc for your PC.
You can basically live a life on your PC. Be it gaming, work or random crap.
Consoles granted are getting closer to a PC in these areas. But i anyday would reccomend a PC over any console.
What would be great though would be wiimote for PC games hehehe.
"The days of consoles are numbered", claim PC bosses
Hewlett-Packard showed off its plans to enter the PC gaming market last night, and unsurprisingly there was an air of hostility towards those old-fangled games consoles the kids are talking about these days.
The first snipes came from a panel of industry leaders that included Games for Windows boss Rich Wickham and other gaming bods.
Quote:
"I believe the days of the console are numbered," "There is one more generation of gaming consoles and that is it,"
said Trion World Network founder Lars Butler.
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NVIDIA vice president Roy Taylor also painted a rosy future for the mouse and keyboard side of gaming:
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"Our advantage as developers is we know what is coming," he said. "And what is coming is far ahead of the console. You will see a
huge difference between what you can get on a PC (personal computer)
and a console."
As PC tech climbs above the capabilities of the next-gen consoles it will certainly be interesting to see if the dooms day prophecies for PC gaming yet again turn out to be hot air... keep the debate going!
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I agree 100% But still prefer computer.
In terms of gaming, the PC also means a much wider variety of downloadable Mods and content, and also accessories and peripherals!
