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Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:31 am Reply and quote this post
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One nice thing about this "Fascist" government is that they more or less give a shit about the military. Which I'm a member of.

Just the same in the UK. On a tangent - it's all very well protesting against [nuclear] deterrents, but without defence along with nuclear deterrents, such as the UK's trident missiles, what would happen? Any educated person knows that defence is one of if not the most important things in a modern day economically developed country, what with global threats namely from the east.


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Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:01 pm Reply and quote this post
Fascism as musolini put it as corportism, most big corporations have contracts with the military for profit, one big corporation controls all major news media outlets. In esence, if you do not see through it, you are just playing there game of monopoly.
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:59 pm Reply and quote this post
If you're paranoid, yes you can put it that way. But, as I can see it... there are several large media corporations , none of which are particularly good and most of which put a liberal spin on things. Most every fascist government had control of the single media outlet, so if our government did, you can bet it'd be pretty conservatively biased. Of course, we have Viacom, CBS, News Corporation and AOL-Time Warner -- which would indicate... competition. Which didn't exist in real fascist states.

As for military contracting... I fail to see how that's indicative of a fascism. Again, the military/government doesn't control the corporations it contracts for military technology, these companies have to compete with one another to get the contract -- and the military's business. Even if Fascist countries did this -- there's no question as to why, it makes a ton of sense. Companies profit, and the military gets some incredibly cool and more importantly, combat-effective technology.

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Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:13 am Reply and quote this post
Ive never been to America or anywhere out of england really lol =D But i do have Xbox live meaning i speak to people all over the world. i have to admit most Americans are total idiots. Most of them just here me and go " You want some tea and crumpets...." I really pisses me of. But one thing i fi9nd strange is that all Calafornians that ive ever met are always Cool with me like they dont care if i am british they probaly wouldnt care if i was an afgan. Yeah but as i was saying most americans are Idiot but there are some nice ones.....I suppose.         
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Sun Jun 24, 2007 4:11 pm Reply and quote this post
im chinese and we really dont like any other nation besides china.. however i live in america now so.. lol

anyway the average white guy in america is pretty stupid :/ lol
i seriously believe that because if u listen to wat people have to say, its always totall nonsense :/

anyway yeah lol
dont get me wrong, i dont hate america lol i just think the people who live in it are generally stupid :/

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Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:37 am Reply and quote this post
I hope you are being sarcastic, last I heard, Iraq was for sale and Mr. Bush can declare marshal law at anytime, he could perhaps resign and give the presidency to Dick Cheney. Oh god I do not want to know what hell he would cook up.
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Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:40 am Reply and quote this post
A_Pickle wrote:
If you're paranoid, yes you can put it that way. But, as I can see it... there are several large media corporations , none of which are particularly good and most of which put a liberal spin on things. Most every fascist government had control of the single media outlet, so if our government did, you can bet it'd be pretty conservatively biased. Of course, we have Viacom, CBS, News Corporation and AOL-Time Warner -- which would indicate... competition. Which didn't exist in real fascist states.

As for military contracting... I fail to see how that's indicative of a fascism. Again, the military/government doesn't control the corporations it contracts for military technology, these companies have to compete with one another to get the contract -- and the military's business. Even if Fascist countries did this -- there's no question as to why, it makes a ton of sense. Companies profit, and the military gets some incredibly cool and more importantly, combat-effective technology.
News corporation controles ABC, NBC, CBS, and Fox News, it is all a complete lie and if you would like to call me paranoid, you can look no further that the Congressmen that represent the almighty dollar! Working for private corporations wants on the people for more control and money. You should see Iraq for Sale, a documentary from Robert Greenwald. It is fascist because IT IS CORPORATISM!

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Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:17 am Reply and quote this post
What's funny is that no, President Bush cannot "just declare martial law at anytime." There has to be a state of "public emergency" first... and that can't be declared unless there is actually a state of public emergency. Fancy that.

And as for the news companies... ABC is owned by The Walt Disney Company, NBC is "owned" by NBC Universal, CBS is owned by... themselves... and Fox News is THE ONLY news media company that you brought up that is actually owned by News Corporation. It's ultra-liberal competitor, CNN, is owned by AOL-Time Warner. Good to know that extremist liberals who call the conservative Bush Administration "fascist" actually know what they're talking about. I hope Robert Greenwald didn't make that mistake on his documentary.

Anyone who can categorize the current US system or government into "Fascism" is off their knocker. Badly off.

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Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:40 am Reply and quote this post
Then what do you call it? Cause it sure aint democracy thats for  sure. Also, why are we not accounting FOR TRILLIONS MISSING? In a democracy, there is supposed to be accountability, the Patriot Act was unconstitutional, instead, we are under a vail of nothing is going on when things are. Do you ever read alternative media? If you think it is BS, then stop watching Fox News! http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/index.html Here is something to get you off your knocker.
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Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:10 am Reply and quote this post
It never was a democracy, and never should be! It's a representative democracy, or "Republic." Where citizens cast votes for lawmakers who represent their views. If their view is in the minority, so too are are their votes -- and the opposing, popular view (and votes) will make it to the actual lawmaking seat.

See, if we were fascist, Bush probably wouldn't just let himself get "voted" out of office in a year. I'm not praising Bush, but I am decrying the far, Far, FAR left extremist view that America has become some sort of "fascist" government comparable to Nazi Germany. Trillions missing? That's easy. Bush isn't the sharpest knife in the bunch.

The Patriot Act... you've got to be kidding me. It isn't unconstitutional -- otherwise... the Supreme Court would've probably had it under their scrutiny at LEAST once -- but it passed. Many Congressmen, even Republican ones, were wary of the Patriot Act UNTIL it included clauses to protect civil liberties. Have you ever READ the Patriot Act? If so, can you point me to WHERE it's unconstitutional? I've got Notepad and it's got this handy search feature, and you've clearly got access to a computer that can copy and paste text -- so please. Indulge me. Why, if the Patriot Act is "unconstitutional," has the currently Democrat-controlled Congress not repealed it? Why has it never been brought to scrutiny by the Supreme Court?

As for your "alternative media," your website quotes the 600,000+ civilian death toll in Iraq. It's not that high -- Iraq Body Count.org has the count at between 65,000 and 75,000 casualties, some of which are the result of irresponsible insurgency, not the evil United States. I trust Iraq Body Count.org because they've got a database which lists EVERY CASUALTY. Their name, the date of their death and even how they died. If I so chose, I could correspond those names and dates with real events. Did Information Clearing House? Apparently not -- which brings into question it's credibility on other issues. I've read some articles on that site, and I haven't read any of their sources -- because their sources aren't listed.

I'm glad you know what you're talking about, and I'm glad you know where to get your information, too.

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Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:26 am Reply and quote this post
If you cannot account for trillions then you cannot trust your Supreme Court whom favours Bush policy to simply not allow passage of an act. The act allows surveillance of americans without warrants and without judicial oversight which is what is unconstitutional under the 4th ammendment of the constitution. This reads "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

It also violates the sixth ammendment of the constitution allowing "all criminal prosecutions" to a fair and speedy trial. Some people have been jailed without reason or without trial. It is illegal under the constitution. I suggest you ask your congressmen where has the money gone and ask him if 9/11 was caused by terrorists. As far as I know IT WAS NOT! IT WAS PURELY FOR PROVOKING FEAR OF THE PUBLIC TO SACRIFICE FREEDOM FOR POWER AND FOR THE OIL HUNGRY TO LET THEM GO ON THERE SPREE! JUST LIKE A CHILD! IF WE SAID IT WAS WRONG WE WOULD HAVE TOLD THEM TO STOP, INSTEAD WE ARE NOT DOING THE DISCIPLINE!

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Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:19 am Reply and quote this post
@mac_pro: I think you're wanting to believe this doctrine of "Fascist America" even though it obviously isn't true. Comparing Bush with Hitler is absolutely ludicrous. I've not noticed the coming around of any neo-holocaust, I'm not sure where the 6 million people of a single race killed at George W Bush's will are. The problem is popular opinion is against Bush and so some of the absurdities put forward by the leftist press have filtered through into popular opinion and sadly, have been accepted as fact. As far a fascism goes I'd say the 'alternative' highly left wing anti-bush press have more in common with fascist dictatorships in terms of their propaganda output. It seems there's constantly a new 'documentary' being released that claims many things about the current US administration rarely citing reliable sources for it's 'information'.

I'd like to finish up by giving you the definitions of the word documentary:

dictionary.com wrote:

doc·u·men·ta·ry
adjective, noun, plural -ries.
–adjective
1.     (Also, doc·u·men·tal [dok-yuh-men-tl].)
Pertaining to, consisting of, or derived from documents: a documentary history of France.
2.     Movies, Television. based on or re-creating an actual event, era, life story, etc., that purports to be factually accurate and contains no fictional elements: a documentary life of Gandhi.


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It's called news. I happen to read it. Stuff like say, reuters, the new york times...


And you think these news agencies as subsidiaries of media corporations won't have biased views too? Reuters is fairly balanced but the NYT can be quite opinionated at times.

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Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:53 pm Reply and quote this post
Reuters balanced? LOL try that at me again. I think this is turning into rightists versus leftists which gets us nowhere. If they are balanced, why have they not highlighted on the impeach cheney movement? Why are they not promoting Ron Paul? Go beyond the front page headline and check the content. BBC is probably the most even of everyone but they do have biasism too. Just cause Bush aint popular does not mean America is not fascist. I am making that comment regarding musolini's definition of it being "corporatism". We have corrupt politicians and I find anarchy a better solution than bueracracy. The media CAN LIE ON TELEVISION AND THEY HAVE NUMEROUS TIMES TO COUNT! There were two FOX News employees fired just for trying to tell the truth about a product, and they lost in their court case to fight for their jobs.
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Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:49 am Reply and quote this post
this is going too well!!!
i started to know how many people like or hate USA!!
almost everyone is with me!! some americans also!!
so
Civilians of USA:: Are U blaming ur Govt.? or yourselves!!??

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Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:05 pm Reply and quote this post
I think we can blame both cause the democracy our forefathers had was based off people power. Instead, we look up to elected officials as the ones to change things, instead, we need to take care of business, until that happens, we're screwed.
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