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Hotmail announces "we hate mozilla thunderbird"
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:54 pm Reply and quote this post
ok not really, but they might as well.

I've just discovered after migrating to mozilla thunderbird email client a few weeks ago, hotmail is actually blocking message originating from thunderbird - not putting into the junk folder - COMPLETING DELETING THE EMAIL BEFORE IT ARRIVES!

On this forum http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=2715540 I discovered this:

Quote:
This is the results of my analysis.

Problem:

Intermittently, can't send messages to hotmail.

Solution:

Insert HTML formatting in message and vary message contents.

Factors:

It looks like a Baysian e-mail filter between Bell Sympatico and Hotmail is
being used to automatically delete e-mail messages. They DO NOT show up in
the Junk E-mail folder on the hotmail account.

Baysian filters use a technology that weights a number of factors to
determine if a message will be sent. +1 represents likelyhood of
uccess. -1 represents likelyhood of failure. If you score low on too many
chategories, the e-mail will be deleted.

Server:
smtp*.sympatico.ca -1 (likely failure)
other servers (tried mcmaster.ca) +1 (likely success)

E-mail program:
getemail.sympatico.ca +2 (likely success)
sitemail.netnation.com +2
univmail.mcmaster.ca +2
Any web browser based e-mail source: +2
Outlook Express 0
Mozilla Thunderbird -1 (likely failure)

Message Format:
HTML +1 (likely success)
Plain Text -1 (likely failure)

Message Contents:
Repeat of previous message -1 (likely failure)
Different message contents +1 (likely success)
Overly simple message -1 (likely failure)
Ex of overly simple message, Subject: "Test", Body: "Test"

Reply to Message Sent from Hotmail: +10
(Replies to messages sent from Hotmail almost always go through.)

If the score is high, the message will go through. If you score too low,
the message to hotmail will be deleted.

As you can see, if the user agent is thunderbird, the likelihood of the message being deleted goes up. Incidentally, this seems to be isolated to hotmail alone (ok this raises just a touch of a conspiracy theory, given their crap competing email program, outlook express).

So don't say you were not warned!

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Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:50 pm Reply and quote this post
can you even configure thunderbird to hotmail   , never kenw that. none the less i just abandoned my hotmail accounts i got tired of it, the webmail application is far too slow, the new messenger isn't too good, msn has cocked up a bit lately  
Contributed by Noobarmy, Editorial, Marketing & Services Team
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:23 am Reply and quote this post
Noobarmy wrote:
msn has cocked up a bit lately  


Hotmails been cocked up for a looooong time, ever since they stopped allowing you POP3 access for free (a few years back now)

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Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:11 am Reply and quote this post
My advice is, use GMail, you can use it with thunderbird with no problems.
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:18 am Reply and quote this post
i too advice to use gmail..
it gives around 2.7gb space and its growing also..

Contributed by f2003629, iVirtua Active Member
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:58 am Reply and quote this post
gmail is great. i'm currently using hotmail and gmail, and gmail is quicker and more efficient. the extra space is nice to have as well.
let me know if you want an invite!

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Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:37 am Reply and quote this post
Gmail's brilliant, definately agree! (I believe theyve now opened it up so anyone can sign up without an invite )
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Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:07 am Reply and quote this post
Gmailing here for about 2 years, I think.
Not used Hotmail since the days before I understoood how to use a pc.

Slow, tacky, invasive resource hog, a la messenger.

Contributed by vaio, iVirtua Recognised Member
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