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I question your case choice, though.. I myself do not believe in spending big money on the housing for your computer. If you want to look flashy and have bragging rights - sure, but its not really my thing to spend more on a case than you do on your hard disk.
I agree in cases where the budget is tight. You should buy a cheaper case in order to make room for a better video card, better CPU, more memory or anything else. However, in this case there is not much I would recommemnd going higher for. If he is overclocking I see no piont in buying anything over the Opteron 165, 2GB of RAM is plenty and anything above that price is a waste, he could get a better video card, but I don't think they would offer a significant enough performane increase in games to justify the cost. Get my point? He is not skimping on any other components in order to get the nice case.
If he does want to save some money then buying a cheaper case is one of the first things to consider. I was just providing a recommendation for a quality case that fit into his budget that was not outrageously priced.
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I reccomend switching the x1800 with the card Josh suggested. This way, you pay slightly more, gain some performance in-game, and open up your options of taking the SLi plunge in the future.
The X1800XT is a better performer once AA and AF are turned up. Nobody buys such an expensive card and does not use AA and AF. So those benchmarks are what are most important. Nobody cares which one would perform better at 800x600 with the lowest settings possible (just an example to get my point across).
Also, SLI is a complete waste of money and should not be used for future-proofing. So many people recommend buying an SLI motherboard, getting a single card and then adding another one in the future when you are not satisfied with your performance and prices drop. This may sound like a good idea, but it is not. In the end you will be paying more for less performance. You would be better off buying a single card now and when you are no longer satisified with its performance, sell it and buy a current generation card. The current generation card will outperform two last generation cards in SLI and will be really cheap once selling your other card.
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KoolDrew: Where an SLi version of a motherboard is only marginally more expensive, there is no reason not to buy it unless you are definite you will not be buying into SLi in the future.
If you are on a tight budget, and you have to keep within it - I understand where you're coming from. From where I stand, I like to buy products which give value for money even if it goes over budget instead of keeping under my target price and buying something that I don't really want.
The way you replied to my comment about case price doesn't fully click.. You haven't pointed out any benefits of the Lian Li case over a case 50 dollars cheaper, and you have suggested, in effect, that if you have the money, you \"might aswell\".
Josh, the 7800GTX & X1800XT are just about tied here and there. I'd get whichever is cheaper.
I really hate repeating myself...
Wihout AA and AF they are about tied, but once they are turned up the X1800XT performs significantly better. So unless the 7800GTX is significantly cheaper then the X1800XT it is not a good choice in comparison.
@timm: I can see where your coming from and if it were my own rig I would probably go with something cheaper too. I just picked a quality case that fit into his budget. I didn't want to put too much thought into it because it is likely to change anyway because of the fact that case choice is largely personal preference.
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Josh, the 7800GTX & X1800XT are just about tied here and there. I'd get whichever is cheaper.
I really hate repeating myself...
Wihout AA and AF they are about tied, but once they are turned up the X1800XT performs significantly better. So unless the 7800GTX is significantly cheaper then the X1800XT it is not a good choice in comparison.
@timm: I can see where your coming from and if it were my own rig I would probably go with something cheaper too. I just picked a quality case that fit into his budget. I didn't want to put too much thought into it because it is likely to change anyway because of the fact that case choice is largely personal preference.
I've seen 7800GTX's go for around 420$, which makes them about 50-70$ cheaper than an X1800XT.
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I've seen 7800GTX's go for around 420$, which makes them about 50-70$ cheaper than an X1800XT.
The X1800XT I linked to is $409.99. I even think there were cheaper ones at Newegg, but I don't remember their prices. So, not only is the X1800XT cheaper, it also performs better.
I've seen 7800GTX's go for around 420$, which makes them about 50-70$ cheaper than an X1800XT.
The X1800XT I linked to is $409.99. I even think there were cheaper ones at Newegg, but I don't remember their prices. So, not only is the X1800XT cheaper, it also performs better.
It is 409.99$ after a mail-in rebate. I wouldn't trust my whole budget on the hopes that I will receive that rebate.
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It is 409.99$ after a mail-in rebate. I wouldn't trust my whole budget on the hopes that I will receive that rebate.
The lowest X1800XT at Newegg without a MIR is $399.99. The lowest 7800GTX without MIR is $423. Again, the X1800XT is cheaper.
Also, you cannot compare the results from two seperate articles. In order for the test to be a good one there needs to be only one independent variable. Both articles used different test setups. One is using an FX-57 with 2GB of RAM while the other is using an FX-55 with 1GB. Just look at the difference between the 7800GTX between the two articles. The 7800GTX @ 430/600 in the first article gets 71.1 in BF2 @ 2048x1536 w/ High Quality, while the 7800GTX in the second article doesn't get anywhere near that w/ no AA. The highest it gets out of all the BF2 charts at that resolution is 47.3.
The X1800XT is cheaper and is the better performer. Why you continue to argue is beyond me.
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It is 409.99$ after a mail-in rebate. I wouldn't trust my whole budget on the hopes that I will receive that rebate.
The lowest X1800XT at Newegg without a MIR is $399.99. The lowest 7800GTX without MIR is $423. Again, the X1800XT is cheaper.
Also, you cannot compare the results from two seperate articles. In order for the test to be a good one there needs to be only one independent variable. Both articles used different test setups. One is using an FX-57 with 2GB of RAM while the other is using an FX-55 with 1GB. Just look at the difference between the 7800GTX between the two articles. The 7800GTX @ 430/600 in the first article gets 71.1 in BF2 @ 2048x1536 w/ High Quality, while the 7800GTX in the second article doesn't get anywhere near that w/ no AA. The highest it gets out of all the BF2 charts at that resolution is 47.3.
The X1800XT is cheaper and is the better performer. Why you continue to argue is beyond me.
Also, my purpose for the 2 articles wasn't for direct comparisons. Look at the FPS difference between the OC'ed & stock 7800GTX's in the first article. That difference should be the similar lest the 2 cards be tested in the configuration provided in the second article. Add the difference to the FPS of the 7800GTX in the 2nd article, and it will be higher than that of the X1800XT.
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I'm not seeing where it says that it is refurbished...
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Also, my purpose for the 2 articles wasn't for direct comparisons. Look at the FPS difference between the OC'ed & stock 7800GTX's in the first article. That difference should be the similar lest the 2 cards be tested in the configuration provided in the second article. Add the difference to the FPS of the 7800GTX in the 2nd article, and it will be higher than that of the X1800XT.
You cannot simply take the FPS difference from one test and add it onto the result from another test... :lol:
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