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Religion the Root of all evil?
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Sat Aug 12, 2006 9:23 am Reply and quote this post
Religion is the source of conflict in my eyes. I mean just look at the war on terror. Its Christians (generally western society) against eastern society (muslim). The muslims are on there Jihad (holy war).

Most wars in earths history have been either about imperialisation or religion. As the da vinci code states the bible is the greatest political ploy ever created. Im not taking this as fact im merely saying it is a very true statement.

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Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:06 pm Reply and quote this post
i don't really care much about this topic
no offence but...people who don't believe in any religion shouldn't be opening their mouth about their opionions

Yes...religion may be causing conflicts around the world till now...but it an't really starting the war!

It is the goverment who are doing it.
Yes the goverment do decide the right thing, provide good things & lead us. But the irony thing about it is, they take it all back with cost of a human life. That is why they start war.
Yes goverment are doing the right thing and mananging things, but when they have problems with other people around the world, they will settle the problem with a war. They won't care wat country it takes place or cost lives.
Take a good look
video 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqC9a0KqW3E
video 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqC9a0KqW3E

Do you actually think the goverment are going to help the Third Countries!? (Afrika especially?)
All the money people have been donating is alll going to the goverment, after all this years the money people have been donating. How come we didn't receive any news about how Africa as improved with the donated money!?


Assasination! Who killed Princess Daina? was it really an accident? Assisnation of JFK.
Did the old pope died!? and a new pope taking the lead. Did the pope really died or killed?


Why did you think Jap & China as stop communicating with the America...after the conflict of WW2

The movie V for Vandetta..did make a lil sense, about the Government controlling us. That is wat this goverment are doing to us.

Uganda...the general's and gonverment are eating all the money while they leave the army to watch over the people. Whereas the army are the criminals..conmitting multiple rapes, tortues and killing


Do you know how many war this world has gone through!? i know there is still another
one coming!


And you are saying it is religion that is the path of evil:/

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Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:19 pm Reply and quote this post
In all actuality it is the people that are evil it is not religion. Yes I know some people would disagree  but there are quite a a few cults out there and I think its basically how the human brain works that depends on weather or not we are evil.
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Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:44 pm Reply and quote this post
I'm not saying I disagree with your main point, but I do disagree with some of your minor ones:

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They won't care wat country it takes place or cost lives.

Democratic governments are controlled by the people and public opinion. If a government goes to war, the people must be supporting it.

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How come we didn't receive any news about how Africa as improved with the donated money!?

I don't know anyone that donates money via a government. Take UNICEF, for example. They are controlled by the UN. The money does go to African nations (Africa is not a country), and progress has been made.

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Why did you think Jap & China as stop communicating with the America...after the conflict of WW2

Japan communicates with America to the extent that they should just join to form one nation. Toyota (Japanese car manufacturer) is taking over the American car market. This would be immpossible without "communication". China communicates more and more with the USA, due to it's increasingly capitalist economy. American businesses invest heavily in China, due to its business potential. If all this economic success was achieved without communication, then I'll cut my balls off with a butter knife.  Besides, your point is invalid. China was allied with the USA during WWII - the Chinese resent many of the Japanese war crimes (China suffered immensely during WWII - you have no idea of the sick things the Japanese did to the Chinese).

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The movie V for Vandetta..did make a lil sense, about the Government controlling us. That is wat this goverment are doing to us.

What is "this Government"? The British government? Yes, I'm sure that they are all really mean people. Tony Blair has a Law degree from Oxford University. If he had become a lawyer instead of a politician, he'd be earning more money, and he would not be exposed to the media in the way that he is. Of all the developed nations, the British Government has the least control over its people - most average Brits make fun of all the politicians - no-one "believes" in their government. That's why British Government is so stable - no-one gives a damn about who does what. All the parties are the same - pretty much all Liberal (or very close). I don't feel like the Government are "controlling us" - quite the opposite actually. The Bush Admin has more influence over 300 million people than Blair's government has over 50 million.

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Did the old pope died!? and a new pope taking the lead. Did the pope really died or killed?

If the pope was assassinated, it would be tied-in to religion, obviously.

"Its Christians (generally western society) against eastern society (muslim)." - from GGN - not technically correct. The vast majority of "far-eastern" society is peaceful - the most peaceful in the world. India and China, combined, account for about 1/3 of the world's population. Most of their populations are buddhist and hindu, which have no involvement in this "Religious war", as their entire belief revolves around peace amongst all living things. That wasn't even counting Japan and parts of Indochina, which would increase the numbers significantly. "Middle-eastern" society/religion is vastly different to "far-eastern" society, which is why there is a "middle-east" region - it isn't really considered part of the traditional, oriental culture.

I don't believe that Religion is the Root of all Evil, as I stated in a post a long time ago.

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Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:29 pm Reply and quote this post
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Democratic governments are controlled by the people and public opinion. If a government goes to war, the people must be supporting it.

Since when is the people controlling the goverment? why do we pay taxes then:/
Are you sure about the people supporting it? You should really watch alot of History/UK History channel. Everytime a country as been to war, the whole place will be a havok. People will have to rebuild houses, lost one. People in IraQ fighting...and you are saying people should support it:/

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I don't know anyone that donates money via a government. Take UNICEF, for example. They are controlled by the UN. The money does go to African nations (Africa is not a country), and progress has been made.

Since when did people start to donate to/via the goverment?:/ It is companies, charity and organisations that ask for donating and sponrosing. When people donate, the money doesnt actually go to the main place but different places. Maybe Goverment
Ok yea UNICEF does get controlled by UN, and who controls the UN!? And how do you know the money goes to African Nations!? where is your proof? we/I havnt heard any shit in years about how the money donated to Africa as improved them. The only thing  I see is, the people go to a third world country, record and take pictures and then head back to their country. They start to advertise the pictures and videos through tv asking for money. And you are telling me the money goes through Africa...do your researches:/
And I know Africa is not a damn country

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Japan communicates with America to the extent that they should just join to form one nation. Toyota (Japanese car manufacturer) is taking over the American car market. This would be immpossible without "communication". China communicates more and more with the USA, due to it's increasingly capitalist economy. American businesses invest heavily in China, due to its business potential. If all this economic success was achieved without communication, then I'll cut my balls off with a butter knife. Besides, your point is invalid. China was allied with the USA during WWII - the Chinese resent many of the Japanese war crimes (China suffered immensely  during WWII - you have no idea of the sick things the Japanese did to the Chinese).
I made a mistake at my sentence there it suppose to be:
"Why did you think Jap  as stop communicating with the America...after the conflict of WW2"
I knew that you will make a different point about communicating.
When I refer to communitcating I mean Unions and Goverments!
You are refering to cheap shots such as Toyota ect...ofcourse those one will communicating..cuz of business and money!
Take anime for an example, you think kids in America cares about the lanuguage or culture of Jap? They only hype up anime. Some jap will say the American's dont deserve this cuz they don't care. But the creators and broadcasters are only in for the money!
Even Japanese and China don't communicate anymore. Jet Li even made a movie about Jap & China being enemies, at the end of the movie it showed they were together. I though they are together, but I was at some website whereas this jap guy draw hentai/anime girl pictures like.The message board called BBS, was full of Chinese haters ...both fighting. That made me rethink that Jap & China are still enemies.

I don't really care or know what happend in WW2 about who allied/started or wat so ever! And what I mean by communicating, not that type of communication..I mean goverment talks/business and plans!

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What is "this Government"? The British government? Yes, I'm sure that they are all really mean people. Tony Blair has a Law degree from Oxford University. If he had become a lawyer instead of a politician, he'd be earning more money, and he would not be exposed to the media in the way that he is. Of all the developed nations, the British Government has the least control over its people - most average Brits make fun of all the politicians - no-one "believes" in their government. That's why British Government is so stable - no-one gives a damn about who does what. All the parties are the same - pretty much all Liberal (or very close). I don't feel like the Government are "controlling us" - quite the opposite actually. The Bush Admin has more influence over 300 million people than Blair's government has over 50 million.
That is why Tony Blair normally wins the vote, that is why nearly everyone hates Tory. And you still don't understand what I mean by controlling....you are propbarly thinking of controlling CONTROLLING!
Take the Oyster for an example...do you think it is a good idea they brought that in? alot of people will say "yea". Why? because they work, gain money or are rich! Alot will say "no" (people like me). Because the price is too high! £32 for a week travel card! £4.50/£5 for a day travel card.
This may be a little controlling but in the rest of the world, when you hear or see it...you will know the controllling I am talking about

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"Its Christians (generally western society) against eastern society (muslim)." - from GGN - not technically correct. The vast majority of "far-eastern" society is peaceful - the most peaceful in the world. India and China, combined, account for about 1/3 of the world's population. Most of their populations are buddhist and hindu, which have no involvement in this "Religious war", as their entire belief revolves around peace amongst all living things. That wasn't even counting Japan and parts of Indochina, which would increase the numbers significantly. "Middle-eastern" society/religion is vastly different to "far-eastern" society, which is why there is a "middle-east" region - it isn't really considered part of the traditional, oriental culture.

That is the problem! Christain & Muslim are partically the same but Muslim as a different language. The conflict between those two is that, one is saying Jesus is Muslim while the other say he is a christain. One says they speak muslim.One says Muslim is the right religion the other say it is Christain. One say the right bible is muslim (Qurain). That is the problem, and if a new people wants to find/join a new religion, the person will first pick Christain because Christain is the most and common religion plus it's in english that is why people accepts it.
Japan, china ect all Asian religion are wrong! Yes I am a christain and you who is one of the Asian religion will say I am wrong. Because in the Bible, Moses 10 commandments, can't remember the number but says "Do not worship an idol other than me" Which means Asian religion is a sin. They are worshipping statue such as Buddha, Dragon ect.

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If the pope was assassinated, it would be tied-in to religion, obviously.

Trust me we don't know...alot of people have storys about wat goes on inside the catholic, popes and pastors. About the sins they are doing

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Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:34 pm Reply and quote this post
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Since when is the people controlling the goverment? why do we pay taxes then:/

Taxes are paid to support the people in the form of Education (state system - paid by taxes), Prisons/Rehabilitation, NHS, Defense, Community programmes and more. If the moeny doesn't come from taxes, then the Government is the most successful business that I have ever seen.

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he only thing I see is, the people go to a third world country, record and take pictures and then head back to their country. They start to advertise the pictures and videos through tv asking for money. And you are telling me the money goes through Africa...do your researches:/
And I know Africa is not a damn country

I've been to plenty of Third-World and developing countries (which have benefited from charity). I don't need to research anything because I've seen it for myself.

The Japanese Government doesn't communicate very well with any other governments, except maybe South Korea's/China's. The rest of Asia do not consider Japan to be an "eastern" culture, because its culture is so different from any other nation in the world. The Japanese exclude themselves from most things except business.

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you who is one of the Asian religion will say I am wrong

I don't believe in any religion, therefore I am not biased. I am saying that Buddhism, Taoism and Hinduism are all extremely similar (all derived from Hinduism), and never have religious wars. War (amongst nations that are predominantly those religions) in Asia is never associated with religion - which is one of the reasons that has led me to believe that Religion is Not the Root of all evil - wars have been started and fought without religion having an influence.

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Jesus is Muslim while the other say he is a christain

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Christain & Muslim are partically the same

So why is there a problem? If "Christian and Muslim are practically the same", it shouldn't cause much trouble if Jesus is Christian or Muslim.

I still agree with you that Religion is not the root of all evil - I don't want you to think that I am 'attacking' you and your beliefs, because I'm not - I believe that religion has many benefits in teaching people the difference between 'right' and 'wrong', and is obviously a good thing to practise if you believe in God. I just disagree with some of your minor arguments.

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Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:27 am Reply and quote this post
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So why is there a problem? If "Christian and Muslim are practically the same", it shouldn't cause much trouble if Jesus is Christian or Muslim.

Because 1 of the religion believes their own is the right religion for people to believe in

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Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:00 pm Reply and quote this post
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i don't really care much about this topic
no offence but...people who don't believe in any religion shouldn't be opening their mouth about their opionions

Yes...religion may be causing conflicts around the world till now...but it an't really starting the war!

It is the goverment who are doing it.

That is a very narrow minded approach; you have to look alot deeper, re-read what others have said and look in to more background information in the origins of religion, philosiphy, ethics and those leaders who embrace religion for power. What I and many others are stating is not a mere opinion but a way of looking at what religion has become in relation to modern culture and lifestyle, and in the course of history.

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Because 1 of the religion believes their own is the right religion for people to believe in

That only is an issue when extremism and the like come on to the question; general teachings are usually very positive about other people, however, yes that is quite a valid point and ties in with what has been said, and is one fundamental aspect of religion that can cause conflict down the line.

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Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:41 pm Reply and quote this post
It is easy to blame religion for the cause of all evil but in realilty is us the people that should be blamed. If you look at at it from all sides we are kinda in our own little war. we have the problems of our own goverment high taxes education the price of gas and protecting our own lands. This is not a easy thing to discuss but we must keep movin on.
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Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:20 pm Reply and quote this post
No.This view is incorrect. Not the religions make things wron, the people do. What does the christianity say? Live in peace, love the other person, ect. And ehat the crusaders did? Started wars with musslims.

Or on the other hand. If you know the Koran you know that too it doesn't say that you have to kill every "faithless". It's almost the same as the Bible. But there are a few (thousand) people who missunderstand it and belive that if they attack and kill innocent people they are going to go in their Haven. Well, they won't.

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Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:46 pm Reply and quote this post
choco is right, in the koran it says that i am my own religion and you are yours. i will not imppose on your religion and you wont on mine. SOmething along those lines lol. Cant really remember it. Its against muslim religious law to kill ANY human beng. These people who do are extremists and want the whole world to be muslim which will never happen.

But there is  truth to what they are doing, christianity and islam are both some of the forceful religions in the world. these muslims are just taking it to the next level by using force to do it.

Although these terror attacks are all about foreign policy not religion.

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Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:35 am Reply and quote this post
My opionion on religion:
Religion is the root of all evil, all civil wars are made due to religion. Why have a religion? Why not believe what you believe not what some random sod made up 2000 years ago. You actully can't be a true cristian, without being a complete retard, as you would have to believe that the world in flat... In the bible, it says that the world is flat. So it is quite obvious that the whole thing is a load of made up crap. If someone in the street said that the stars were chickens, would you believe it? If not, then you shouldn't believe in any sort of religion. My dad thought he was a christain, but luckly, he wasn't as close minded, and a bit of him was open, and therfore, he didn't believe the bible, and so he wasn't a christain, he had his own beliefs, which is what everyone should have. Don't believe what some random prick in the street tells you, ethier have something proven to you, or believe what you believe, not what someone else beleives. Too many children are having there minds closed, and all thoughts for themselves taken away from them. So they arn't who they are, they are someone else mind wise.

The other day, when I was on holiday, I got real p**sed off! There was some people who have a sign up saying: "Jesus died for you and me." We believe in the bibles truth."
Firstly, if someone died for someone else, what a freking retard they are!
And Secondly, there is NO truth in the bible! If you think the world in flat, you're, well, just freking retarded!

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Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:36 pm Reply and quote this post
Sam England wrote:
Religion exists because of Control, A Good way of contolling people, now Imn no crank, but I its pretty obvious... Religion is the cause of all conflict.
Heres someone you should listen to...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins#Religion
In January 2006, Dawkins presented a two-part Channel 4 documentary entitled The Root of All Evil?, addressing what he sees as the malignant influence of organised religion in society.


I would have to agree that religion is the root of all evil, it causes people to argue about what happened where whena nd how, and these disgreements eventually cause war.

the philisophical counterparts of these religions is the only things that make them good.  as an example, love thy neighbor and brother as you love the lord, treating all in the way you would wish to be treated, the golden rule..  This "Golden Rule" is inherent everywhere, even not in Christianity, the Jewish,  the Muslims, the Buddhists, the Baha'i,   Everywhere.   It is the singular message that people need to love each other to survive in this terrible world and it is the only path to salvation.  Who cares who god really is, and once more who cares what he did or what his plan is, nobody makes anything better by going to war,  the philosophy of all these great wisdoms say one thing loud and clear, and that is to march forward for a better future through love.

When people fight eachother they forget this, they blindly fire guns at eachother in their hatred for what the enemy did to them yesterday, its a giant war of brothers.

The newish will always hate the Muslim and the Muslim will always hate the Jewish, unless they realize what is truly important, and that is they speak the same wisdoms.

its very hard for either of them to see this as their 'enemies', or shall I say brothers, run into their shoipping malls and kill their people.  an endless death cycle.

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Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:38 pm Reply and quote this post
joefireline wrote:
You actully can't be a true cristian, without being a complete retard, as you would have to believe that the world in flat... In the bible, it says that the world is flat. So it is quite obvious that the whole thing is a load of made up crap.


1 - I'd like to know where the bible says that. Quotes for Clarification, and locations too thank you
2 - You sound like a 12 year old who doesn't know what he's talking about
3 - Learn to spell


Although I'm a Christian, that doesn't necessarily mean I have to agree with all the beliefs thrust upon me, if they are not specifically quoted that way in the bible. I don't mind swearing, there are more choice words than s*** for explaining what happened twenty minutes ago in the bottom of the dunny, but its only the way peoples sick little minds interpret it. But that's another matter.

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Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:04 am Reply and quote this post
It worries me reading this thread how narrow minded or, in the "christians must be retards" case, completely ignorant people can be.

The INSTANT that you declare that religion is the root of all evil you are being ignorant. Now, im an atheist, i do not believe in god in any way shape or form, and religion is responsible for a lot of wrongs in the world. But i think defining it as the cause of all evil is an extremely easy way out. I think a lot of the problem is people think its cool to denounce religion purely because it is a practise which encompasses the majority.

Religion. Im not sure whats being defined here, is it mass organised religions like Christianity, or is it an individuals faith? Im going to pressume its the former as it is the usual meaning of the term.

Religion is something which i do believe was, in times past, mainly a source of income and mass social control. This sounds terrible, but, these things are happening now. Its simply control by fear. The fear of Gods wrath, or the fear of terrorism, which will it be?  

But it also acts as something that a lot of people require and are comforted by. I know a significant amount of people who are religious and are not what i would call evil in any way. And i know an atheists or agnostics who i see as being far more likely to commit crimes or whatever you consider evil.

Now, the defining factor in all this is believe is whether you're a true religious person. Whether you follow the faith you have set your mind to. And i think this is where i have a problem with the arguement. I believe that to call religion the root of all evil is overlooking, quite ironically, the fact the evil often CONTROLS religion. Religion is used so often, and has been used (crusades), as what could be seen as an excuse for war. Religion is not the problem, as by defination, most religions are not violent or evil and promote good actions, it is the people that are prepared to use religion as a means to enhance their own lives, wealth, countries resources    whatever.

I would argue that George W Bush owes religion hugely for the fact that he managed to gain power in the USA. Is this religions fault? No. Its the fact that someone had EXPLOITED the religious beliefs of a large amount of people in order to gain favour.

If you disagree with anything i've said, please, retort i like a good debate

Also, for anyone who is religious, im not implying that it is stupid, and that you're stupid for following it or are gullible, i have full respect for others beliefs. I'm simply saying that, like many things, it is a force which can be manipulated by those with evil agendas.

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