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KoolDrew wile back on HWA we put this to the test. useing fraps and watching in game FPS and demos to map FPS . we did this with stock PC 3200 and overclocked PC 3200 to PC 4200. Like what i run now. We found that there was a difrence of about 25 to 30% gain in games. Testing other aplications such as respons times on super PI and sandra benchmarks we found the same. For you to say there is no difrence going from stock PC 3200 or underclocking the ram to overclock it back to PC 3200 just isnt based on fact. The bandwidth on memory when overclocked is not only noticable but also a must when useing like i do 4 10k drives in a raid. Before you start talking next time you may want to get your facts strait.
for you to use cheap butt ram underclocked i can tell you this first hand . no matter what the guy with the overclocked nice ram with killer times will kill your in game performance and benchmarks by a clean 30% or better.
Last edited by PCGEEK on Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:56 pm; edited 1 time in total
For you to say there is no difrence going from stock PC 3200 or underclocking the ram to overclock it back to PC 3200 just isnt based on fact.
Did I ever say there was no difference? No, I did not. I said expensive RAM on an A64 is for the most part a waste of money. Here are my exact words.
\"The performance difference would be small (depending on the task, of course) and the money can be better spent on other things or even more RAM.\"
Before you start talking next time you may want to learn how to read.
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for you to use cheap butt ram underclocked i can tell you this first hand . no matter what the guy with the overclocked nice ram with killer times will kill your in game performance and benchmarks by a clean 30% or better.
Not if I was smarter and bought the more expensive video card or even more RAM as opposed to wasting my money on \"performance\" RAM.
I provided evidence that you are wrong and you come back and say I'm wrong without explaining yourself? That proves you're a real expert on the subject. :rolleyes:
How about you explain yourself? Everything I said in my last post was fact. I first provided a link to a topic where a lot of benchmarks were being done showing the performance difference is small for the most part. Then I also said \"performance\" RAM as opposed to the next level video card or even more RAM is not worth it. No offence, but anybody who denies that is an idiot.
Yes, faster RAM will be always be faster. The problem here is expensive RAM for the most part does not offer a large enough performance difference to justify the added cost. The benchmarks I linked to proved this. You may see a large increase in Sandra, but who the heck cares about synthetic benchmarks? Also moving up to a 7800GT from a 6800GT as opposed to buying \"performance\" RAM would be a much smarter choice. Moving up to 2GB of Value RAM would be smarter too.
There is also RAM out there that overclocks well for a cheap price. Take the UTT chips for example. There is some Crucial Value RAM that overclocks well for a reasonable price. I have seen a lot around 3-3-3-9 @ 250MHz with around 3.0v. Also, you have to remember overclocking has a lot to do with luck. So, why buy $300 RAM when you are not even sure it is going to overclock well?
Ok lets see if I can lay this out for you as to why your wrong.
As I said before we tested this to great lengths in HWA months ago.
Cheap butt value ram = YOURS
Very high latency timings ? Low clock speeds ? Lower response times normally 6 ns to 7.5 ns normal timings . 3 - 3 - 3 - 8
This kills benchmark scores and in game FPS as well as load times and install times.
Now the good s**t
Much less latency ? much higher clock speeds ? much faster response times normally 5 ns (Mine) clock speeds range from 2 2 2 5 PC 4000 to PC 4400
Average is 2.5 3 3 6 T1 with 5 NS response times @ PC 4200 to PC 4400
This is up to 30% faster load times and install times with a gain of 30 to 40 FPS in games .
Now don?t make me do all these tests again it?s a real pain in the butt. Just get off your butt and search HWA forums. Start opening your eyes and learn something.
I think we need to do some price comparisons as well. PCGEEK, how much is your RAM? And KoolDrew, how much is your ValueRAM? And let us compare the performance difference and see if the price difference compensates for it.
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I was just going to say the same thing about you. I know I am right, so if you want to prove me wrong why don't you link to the topic at HWA? It would be much easier for you to search.
I backed up what I said with benchmarks. It is time for you to do the same.
Last edited by KoolDrew on Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:52 am; edited 1 time in total
Not your systems. Compare the scores of 2 other systems anywhere on the .net, one using ValueRAM and the other using performance RAM, and calculate the price difference and see whether the performance difference is worth the extra $.
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Frankly, I'd go ValueRAM all the way... but... if for some reason you feel compelled to spend more / don't feel safe with \"Value\" type RAM, then go for mid-range RAM. I wouldn't do the \"Performance\" RAM, although admittedly the timings on that *might* help in some cases, you'd probably find equivalent performance on an appropriately clocked stick of mid-range RAM.
Then... I mean... come on. It's a dang good deal, \"value\" RAM is what RAM ought to be priced at. A 1 GB stick of Corsair ValueSelect at 400 MHz times in at 3-3-3-8, which isn't good, but it isn't bad... it's just... right down the middle. If you're really nitpicky, I'm sure you could coax a seven or a six on that RAS precharge.
Then there's the undeniable facts. You get more space. For a lot less. You can't even argue this point... it's moot. I have 2 GB of RAM, I can make my shadow maps twice as large on 3D Studio Max R7. I can have more textures loaded into my RAM. I can store more virtual polygons. I can have a longer RAM preview in Adobe Premeire.
Anyways... that's my two cents. Some statistical data...
My RAM: 2x1GB Corsair ValueSelect PC3200 3-3-3-8 $184 (At time of purchase) $202 (Currently)
2x1GB Corsair XMS Series PC3200PRO 3-3-3-8 (CMX1024-3200PRO) $284
2x1GB Corsair XMS Series PC3200 2-3-3-6 (CMX1024-3200C2PT) $286
2x1GB Corsair XMS Series PC3200 3-3-3-8 (CMX1024RE-3200) $332
4x512MB Corsair XMS Series PC3200 2-2-2-5 (CMX512-3200XLPT) $405 (!!!)
Yeaaahh... not... not seeing the value in \"performance\" RAM.
Last edited by A_Pickle on Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:31 am; edited 1 time in total
It is like this in my eye, Gamerz will always try to buy the best. As they want cutting edge performance in FPS games etc. I hate the taughts of my rig lagging. IMHO if you buy RAM from the big guys you are guarenteed to get Performance as all UBER RAM is tested to the limit with the best possible latencies (THis is very important to the performance of a system). And warrenty is far better then the value RAM. You are also getting better onboard memory chips.
And to be honest the price difference is not that great. I am not a serious overclocker but I give my chips a little boost. But I never would use the Valueram. But thats just me.
Same as I would never buy OEM products especially mobo's and CPU's, but thats another post!
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