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in adding i made a joke about it!!
When God was making Darwin's body, firstly He made a monkeys body!! then he thought! lets see what will happen if this monkey is a Man!!! so he installed Darwin's Life(software) to this monkeys!!
so mr. darwin once found a hole up of his ass!! and
found that his body structure is most likely a monkey!!
Then he found that he is a monkey!!
To cover up this shame! He tried all of us to be MONKEY!!
Thats th point!!!
Last edited by sa_rocky on Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:37 am; edited 1 time in total
I think religion is about as "real" as Harry Potter books. Mainly what convinces me is this: God gave mankind our intelligence, our logic, and our reasoning ability. That's what differs us from the "beasts," or other animals (according to the Bible).
I can't see air, but I can feel it, and through various other methods of detection, I can affirm that it is, in fact, there. So I believe in air. I can't see gravity, but as certain as I am on the ground right now, I can observe that there is a force keeping me on the ground called gravity. Other instruments can re-affirm this, so I believe in gravity.
But I can't see God. I can't hear him, I can't feel him, I can't smell him and I certainly can't taste him. No one has observed God on a phased-array radar, a mass-spectrometry device, microwave EM filter, or any other kind of detection device. I can't detect God with anything. I can't detect him with my limited human perception, nor can I detect him with humanity's most advanced and sensitive detection equipment.
Not only that, but I have a real problem with the fact that, if you try to "test" God (jumping off a cliff expecting God to save you), God will let you fall because attempting to prove God is a big no-no. So let's recap.
1.) We cannot detect "God" with ANYTHING.
2.) We cannot attempt to get "God" to reveal himself.
With those two statements, we're basically prevented from... ever determining, beyond any reasonable doubt, that God is real. That's why Christianity, and every other religion is taken on "Faith." And I have no "faith" in something that I cannot see and cannot prove.
I think, that as a logical and reasonable human being, that that's my perogative, to not believe in something that I can't detect. That's a pretty reasonable perogative on my part. But the Bible says I'm going to get sent to Hell for what is a very reasonable assertion. I have a real problem with that mentality.
Fortunately, I don't believe in God... Heaven... or Hell. So. About that.
To answer the main topic, Sience and religion often go hand in hand; the flood, the Tower of Babel, the Dead Sea scrolls, are all proven by sience to be explainable.
While I support the core message i'm forced to look at this with wonder, I know that there is scientific evidence for a great flood. But the Tower of Babel? The great tower man built to bring himself closer to go, that god got pissed off...destroyed and gave everyone different languages? First off the tower would have had to of been...to the sky. Where are the ruins?
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But if you say Religion can't sastain you becouse of the gray area, " the unexplained" let me enlighten you on a few facts you probably haven't thought about. A couple hundred years ago we thought the Earth was flat, do we now? We thought males had one more rib than females. Do we now?
I fail to see how this is a argument against religion not being able to sustain people because of the gray. It wasn't by the use of religion or scripture that either of these things were proven. It was infact by the use of science...The flat earth was an assertion actually made by mesopotamian...priests. Since at that time there weren't scientists or even philosophers. Well Greece came into existence, philosophers existed there, they saw these ideas from mesopotamia...Took them as their own and then...a few people in the middle ages believed it...today a few people believe it. But in the middle ages, that really wasn't the wide spread thought even. Thats abit of a myth.
As for the extra rib, thats somthing you can trace right back to Genesis. So in essence, claims in the bible were disproven by science. In a very concrete way...Men don't have more ribs.
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In our brains we have matter, 95% of our brain is made up of material we can't explain. There is 5% of matter in our brains called gray matter that cannot be explained at all, so would you disprove Sience because they don't know what the 5% is.
The human brain has been well researched, most if not all region of the brain have been identified by function. We've identified the areas within areas that control things like speech, or within speech sentence structure or word choice. There is much about the brain that has yet to be revealed but...there is much that already has been.
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And as for the person who says Religion is for the weak and the ones who need something to cling to in times of pain. I would just like to ask you wich is more brave, the man who does what is right and has no fear of death because he KNOWS he will have everlasting life, or the man who goes by his own rules because he KNOWS there is'nt an afterlife. I think attoning for your sin/morals/ethics, is one of the bravest things you can do, and without your "deathbed religion" you are just a coward hiding behind a judgeless fate.
No...you tell me. Who is...greater...THe man who does good out of fear of punishment or even in hope of reward...or the man who does good because its the right thing to do...Who doesn't believe a God exists, by still lives a decent life.
I could say who is braver, by its really who is more cowardly...The man who does good only because he's afraid of "father's" hand...or the man who does good because he damn well feels like it!
Also, a widespread dillusion is that atheists are very much amoral people, because it seems self evident that if a person doesn't fear God, they'll disobey God. Not very much the case, true there have been bad atheists and there still are. Stalin was an atheist, Hitler was an Atheist...However his anti-semetic views weren't his own. He got them from...a holy man.
Torquemada was not...He worked for the church. He also influenced antisemitism in the middle ages...A time during which anti-semitism was more widespread than in WWII. He himself only put 2000 people on the stake, however he did each one of those personally. Ivan the Terrible was not, he friend thousands of people in giant frying pans...and watched.
Of course these are merely examples...The point i'm trying to prove is that...People will bend their beliefs to justify their desires...If someone is going to be a mass murderer...They'll be one Atheist, Christian or Buddhist...
I myself don't believe in God, I believe that the scientific method and the philosophy behind science is really quite respectable. Its this sort of...use past theories, until by experimentation its disproven and then use the new theories. It allows progress.
I don't see much potential for progress spawning from ancient infalliable books. However my faith discourages criticizing other faiths nonproductively...Since, in my faith...If you believe it...Its true. If you don't...its not.
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