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now i'm def NOT an apple fan...and the ipod 20gb is just too expensive anyway....i was just looking for something in the 100's, or like 200 max...
the 512mb iRiver was something i was looking into deeply....but then the next one up (for only 50 bucks more) is the ipod mini 4gb....it's like friggin 120 songs compared to around 1000 songs with playlists and all that crap....so the iPod is a better deal and i DO want a lot more songs....but i wuz jw if anyone had a better suggestion out there for a player...