Crazy conspiricyness

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its crazy but some of its exaggerated and over the top.

it doesnt mention this much but the president can do what ever he wants
so in 30 seconds george bush could turn this country into a, dictatorship,
communist or whatever else.

Last edited by ChrisMG on Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:45 pm; edited 1 time in total

Pretty weird video, but you're wrong.

The President, while weilding massive amounts of power, cannot just \"turn\" the US into a communist nation or a dictatorship.

Evidently you're not too familiar with this thing we call the Constitution of the United States of America.

There are three branches of federal government: The Executive (President), Legislative (Congress) and Judicial (Supreme Court).  They all check and balance each other within reason.  If congress attempts to pass a law, the President can veto it.  Likewise, if the President tries to sign something into law, Congress can take it up and strike it down.  The Judicial branch governs both sides with the sole intent of interpreting the Constitution.  So if something the President signs into law and it then passes through Congress unopposed, the Supreme Court can take it up and vote it unconstitutional, thereby killing it.  These 'Checks and Balances' were written into the Constitution on purpose, so that no one branch of the government will ever become too powerful.  Sadly, it still happens, especially when the Presidents party is in control.  Most bills run through the whole system unimpeded.  That's still not to say that he can do 'Anything' though.  The people of this country are the real power.  It may not seem like it, but it's true.  The 2nd Amendment states that \"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.\"  With that Amendment in hand, a well regulated Militia theoretically could begin a revolution and overthrow the Government should it become too powerful.  As a matter of fact, our forefathers deliberately put that in there for that sole purpose.  They wanted to make sure that the people's liberties were not imposed upon.

So, with all of that in mind, lets say that the President suddenly declares that the United States of America will hereto be known as the \"Communist States of America.\"  What do you think will happen?  Every single red-blooded American who was taught from birth that Communism is evil will pull their shotguns from the wall and start marching.  Almost every single Police Officer in the US (almost 1 million) will turn against the government.  Almost the whole Military, every single member having sworn to \"defend the United States against enemies, both foreign AND domestic\" will splinter off and start marching.

You're talking about a whole new American Revolution, and the Government would fall. Hard.  Very hard.

And no, I'm NOT a fan of the current administration.  Actually, Politicians of any sort kind of get me fuming.  They're supposed to work for US, the taxpayers, not whoever they feel like working for.  That's my beef.

Im very familliar with the constituion and the bill of rights the question is are you familliar with this
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/usc...02----000-.html
and
section 106 of the patriot act shown here
http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

and ive already thought about if the president did that and then a revolt would most likely follow and thats why they havent done it yet, but maaybe eventually through the same propaganda techniques used in germany if we dont do something about it.

Last edited by ChrisMG on Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:32 am; edited 1 time in total

Highlight the part where it says the President has the ultimate authority and can turn the United States into a 'Communist'; 'Dictatorship'; or 'Whatever Else' nation at any time.

The only thing that even comes close is loosely called a \"Constitutional Dictatorship\" and it will never happen. Even then, he can't just 'turn' the country into one. This is how it goes down: In times of extreme national emergency, Americans will want the President to do whatever is necessary to preserve our way of life.

\"While our constitution contains no express provision for \"emergency\" or \"crisis\" situations, such a provision is not necessary. The U.S. Supreme Court made clear in Ex Parte Milligan, following the Civil War, that \"the government, within the Constitution, has all the powers granted to it which are necessary to preserve its existence.\" Or as one commentator has added, \"self-preservation is the first law of any nation.\"

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20020607.html

Yes you have good point and it does make logical sense to have the emergency powers. And like it stated before that it was nessecary for the president to be able to do it in the civil war ect... but we were lucky to have good poeple and good presidents and we may not be so lucky in the future esspecially with arnold swartzenneger. And before you'll know it we could be become the new nazis (we just wouldent be called nazi's) if we dont do something just look at other civilizations to learn from thier mistakes to make sure we dont go down the hole because it could very well happen to us. Because it looks like were following in the same footsteps germany was pre- world wars.

Last edited by ChrisMG on Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:53 pm; edited 1 time in total

Does anyone know why the 22nd Amendment puts a two term limit on the Presidency?

Is that a question that you know, and are trying to find out if we know, or that you don't know?
Arnold Swartzennager(sp?) should definitely not be a president. First of all, right now he couldn't be because he wasn't born here in the US. And I don't think that should be changed, that's how you're going to get communism to come to the US, if you let people rule that weren't born here.

you mean Propagandified people (is that even a word?)

There was a study done once with the following results:

Only one out of five people in the US knows what one of the basic four freedoms we have are (speech, religion, press and assembly).

As a matter of fact, three out of those same five people could name every member of The Simpsons, but not more than one freedom we enjoy.

It was a pretty interesting study, and thats why I ask.  The 22nd Amendment sets the term limit on the President at only two terms because our forefathers believed that \"absolute power corrupts absolutely\".  Even George Washington himself, when offered the Presidency for his whole life, said that no man should be President for his whole life because power breeds corruption.

Of course, the 22nd amendment came along well after the establishment of the Constitution, but it's there now.

Arnold couldn't be President because he's not a natural born citizen.  That was another way of making sure that the US stayed in domestic control.  It's a little outdated now though.  Predator is right, just because someone wasn't born here doesn't mean that they're communist, it just means that they're not a US citizen by birth.

Anyway, I brought the study up because I think it's very important for us to know where the freedoms that we exercise daily come from and why.  Ok, enough politics, let's talk about computers or something.

Last edited by Nitrous on Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:40 am; edited 1 time in total

yeah lets just close this or something.

Topic closed at request of creator.