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Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:04 pm Reply and quote this post
I have summarised Ruth Kellys Speech below, but take the time to read this in full; I personally think it is time for a review. Cultures in smaller ways can work well together, but we cannot tip-toe around in political correctness, and deny the fact that cultures (not race) cause conflict and urest, maybe this will be seen as a fit in or piss off kind of attitute... but maybe there are some truths to that; can multiculturalism work? Womens equality, is a big issue, and is illegal in the UK to discriminate sexyually, but should Muslim employers be allowed to break the law?

But what is really being sought is integration and an understanding of values. At times, indigenious folk play a two class system. For example, the right to influence foreign policy is considered offensive if a non white person(s) attempts it.

Also immigrants should understand that there are boundaries and cultures already in place that can only change with time (a long time).

Integration is the only way forward

It will have considerably more value if we can be open and honest about the challenges we face. We must not be censored by political correctness, and we must not tiptoe around important issues.

Maybe Labour have finally admitted that there are flaws with it, and it is time to do something about it.




Below is a summarised and highlighted version of this speech, Ruth kelly, Communities secretary made...
I urge you to read this link before commenting on how britain is going to take on the problems arisen from this, I do actually agree with the most part as you can see from what I wrote above

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5281572.stm

Also BBC News story may be interesting: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5280230.stm


I believe it is time now to engage in a new and honest debate about integration and cohesion in the UK. If we are to have an effective, progressive response to these issues, then we must be honest about the challenges we face and be prepared to meet these head on with renewed energy and impetus.

Patterns of immigration to Britain are becoming more complex. Our new residents are not the Windrush generation. They are more diverse, coming from countries ranging from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe, from South Africa to Somalia.


In our attempt to avoid imposing a single British identity and culture, have we ended up with some communities living in isolation of each other, with no common bonds between them?

I think we face the clear possibility that we are experiencing diversity no longer as a country, but as a set of local communities. Each experiencing changes in a different way, with some being affected more than others.


It is clear that we need a controlled, well managed system of immigration that has clear rules and integrity to counter exploitation from the far right. I agree with the Home Secretary: it is not racist to discuss immigration and asylum. There are challenging, legitimate issues we need to talk about and debate. That debate, however, must be based on fact, not myth. How do we establish the necessary trust and maturity to allow this?

It is also clear that our ideas and policies should not be based on special treatment for minority ethnic or faith communities. That would only exacerbate division rather than help build cohesion. And as a society we have to have the confidence to say no to certain suggestions from particular ethnic groups.

But at the same time, to make sure everyone can be treated equally, there are some programmes that will need to treat groups differently. We must, again, be unafraid to say this plainly when it is plainly the pragmatic truth. Which is why the cross-Government race and cohesion strategy 'Improving Opportunity, Strengthening Society' is so critical.

And I also want to see a clear understanding that although fundamental rights must be equal for everyone, with rights come responsibilities. Even within a framework of mutual tolerance, I believe that there are non-negotiable rules, understood by all groups, both new and established. We must be clear and unafraid to say that we expect these will be shared and followed by all who live here.

There are already communities rising up to tackle these issues and equipping themselves for the changes they face.

There are school twinning programmes, and sporting events across the country that focus on children mixing at an early age. Local communities are developing Charters of Values, or local Citizens' Days, that aim to develop a sense of belonging in multicultural towns and cities. And there are community-led projects springing up in communities facing cohesion challenges that focus on mediation and conflict resolution - learning from the best international practice.



And one of the outcomes of that complexity - and increased global interconnectedness - is that global tensions are being reflected on the streets of local communities. New migrants protect the fierce loyalties developed in war-torn parts of Europe. Muslims feel the reverberations from the Middle East. Wider global trends have an impact. Some new migrants will put down roots. Some will move on, and find other work or return to their families.

I believe this is why we have moved from a period of uniform consensus on the value of multiculturalism, to one where we can encourage that debate by questioning whether it is encouraging separateness.

Ms Kelly promised the commission would not be a "talking shop" and would not focus on tackling the ideology of a "perverted form of Islam" - something the government was examining in other ways.

Instead, it would look at building ways for people to get to know their neighbours and to stop people feeling a sense of "separateness".




Please Do not confuse and mix the ideas of 'race' and 'culture'. Take that seriously

Liberal Democrats and Conservative are in wide agreement with this

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For the Conservatives Damian Green said: "There is a huge and vital challenge to be met in helping Britain's Muslim communities integrate fully with the rest of society.

"We hope that this latest government initiative has more substance than previous initiatives which have tended to grab a headline but then achieve very little in the long term."

Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Nick Clegg said the belated launch of the commission was welcome.

But he warned: "To be truly effective, any attempt to reach out to disaffected members of our Muslim communities must also incorporate an honest debate about this government's foreign policy and some of its counter-terrorism measures."

Contributed by Editorial Team, Executive Management Team
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:07 pm Reply and quote this post
ahh yes there was a piece of the radio about this, this morning.

But i think it could work if everyone was non-racist and non sectarian. Sadly the world will never be like that. But cultures have mixed before and im sure it will happen again over time ofcourse.

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