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Why is it that religious organisations think they are higher than the law!!
If you haven't guessed I'm talking about a recent letter that Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor sent to British Government Officials stating:
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Dear Prime Minister and Members of the Cabinet,
It has always been the wish of the Catholic Church in this country to work with the Government for the common good of its people. We believe we do this in matters of social care, education and in many other ways. Catholic teaching urges us to do this, and we do it gladly in a spirit of co-operation....
In my mind and most of the governments, this is paramount to blackmail. Basically in the UK we have new legislation that says people must not refuse to give people services due to their sexual relationships (i.e. being gay).
Basically what the Catholic church is saying is, We don't want to let gay couples adopt children and if you make us follow legislations we'll shut all the adoption agencies in the UK.
I can't believe that religious who says it never discriminates against other races, religions, cultures, thinks that it can get away with blackmailing the government because it's views about gay rights are stuck in the 18th century.
My advice to the Catholic Church is not to think of itself as a organisation higher than laws and realise that the majority of the UK population believe that what you have done is disgraceful and we will give in to blackmail.
But what really disgusts me is that they are willing to close adoption agencies which house vulnerable children who have no family or who have mistreated. They are using those children as political weapons.
Similar to the Religion root of all evil thread, and any debate should be directed there hence the reason the thread being moved to General Discussion.
In my mind and most of the governments, this is paramount to blackmail. Basically in the UK we have new legislation that says people must not refuse to give people services due to their sexual relationships (i.e. being gay).
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I can't believe that religious who says it never discriminates against other races, religions, cultures, thinks that it can get away with blackmailing the government because it's views about gay rights are stuck in the 18th century.
Religion does not say that it never discriminates against other religions; in fact most say quite the opposite. Christians say anyone who does not believe in god will go to hell, same case with many (not all!) religions. Its views on gay rights in terms of the catholic division, are actually quite broad.
Religion has a hard time fitting in with modern ideologies and modern lifestyles, and usually, as with protestants, they can fit in quite easily, discouraging but not opposing some things, such as gay rights, and allowing contraception. Personally I think being "gay" has become too much of a trend, but aside that point, of which I am not arguing here, homosexuality is a sensitive issue when it comes to religion.
The funny fact is, religion is more powerful than the government. The country we live in has Christian morals and values, and it usually adapts to the government. Islam, a new religion in comparison and retrospective, usually has a government built around and in favour of its morals, values and ideologies, which works to very good effect in terms of relations between religion, government and its people.
However, The catholic church has always been a different thing all together, opposing the government. They should not be allowed to affect the policies in government, just as Islam should not, in the UK.
Look back at 1815 and the repeal of catholic emancipation, by which finally, after hundreds of years, the revolutionaries repealed an act that meant no Catholic could stand as an MP when an irish banker stood as an MP (which was legal) and to avoid civil war, he was let to be an MP and laws were changed. Then look at all of the catholic/government conflicts. Advising africans not to wear condoms that prevent AIDS in modern terms, but what about the spanish armada, the gunpowder plot and bloody mary of the 1500s for catholic - government conflict! It is nothing new.
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My advice to the Catholic Church is not to think of itself as a organisation higher than laws and realise that the majority of the UK population believe that what you have done is disgraceful and we will give in to blackmail.
Organisation higher than law? Yes, religion is. It is the motivation of many wars and is a toll of misused power as expressed in the debate threads. The catholic cannot do anything to anyone except against their own people. They are no threat with a safeguard in place., Lets just thank the fact we have a monarch, which is the only thing that can stop the UK becoming a dictatorship; the queen has to sign every act, and she has the army and police force at her command (HM). Dont worry!
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But what really disgusts me is that they are willing to close adoption agencies which house vulnerable children who have no family or who have mistreated. They are using those children as political weapons.
Now that is wrong though I can safely say it wont happen. However, I dont actually think homosexual parents afor adopting children is right, unless they are of an age where they understand this. They have a right to be in a home with a normal family, or in a care home; as it is forcing views and ideologies on their life with no choice, and no male or female rolemodel, which I am strongly against. Homosexual parents cannot be coined as a term and should not be allowed in my view. How can you have a homosexual parent? You cant.
That letter has strong content, and if you actually read it, some very very valid points. The legislation is flawed, and I think that adaptation of their religion would be a step too far, and goes against family values and the rights of a child.
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In my mind and most of the governments, this is paramount to blackmail. Basically in the UK we have new legislation that says people must not refuse to give people services due to their sexual relationships (i.e. being gay).
Legislation like sexual/gender descrimination, and racial descrimination and this, are all fine by me, but I can see where the catholics are coming from, from a non religious perspective, it seems that the legislation has not thought through what It can mean, although it does only say, that gay couples will be considered.
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Basically what the Catholic church is saying is, We don't want to let gay couples adopt children and if you make us follow legislations we'll shut all the adoption agencies in the UK.
Shut all the adoption agencies in the UK? They can't.
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