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Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:37 pm Reply and quote this post
I agree with Pickle.  I have NOTHING against Linux.  I like its ideas, looks, and power.  However, I do not want to spend time wrestling with command lines, and having to edit several files to get my OS working the way I want it.

Sure, there are some people out there that are faster with a command line than with the GUI, but I'm certainly not.

There is a reason people rarely use DOS any more.  Text-based commands are klunky, and require knowledge of syntax.

In a GUI, you are presented with choices.

Its like asking someone if they would rather take a short-answer test with 5 questions, or a multiple choice test with 9.  Unless your a complete expert, the multiple choice will be easier (and sometimes faster)

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Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:04 pm Reply and quote this post
I agree with you, Greg, I like Windows better than Linux, at least XP.  But, the whole ton of choices you have with Linux is really nice, and I like it.
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:14 am Reply and quote this post
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I agree with Pickle.  I have NOTHING against Linux.  I like its ideas, looks, and power.  However, I do not want to spend time wrestling with command lines, and having to edit several files to get my OS working the way I want it.

Sure, there are some people out there that are faster with a command line than with the GUI, but I'm certainly not.

There is a reason people rarely use DOS any more.  Text-based commands are klunky, and require knowledge of syntax.

In a GUI, you are presented with choices.

Its like asking someone if they would rather take a short-answer test with 5 questions, or a multiple choice test with 9.  Unless your a complete expert, the multiple choice will be easier (and sometimes faster)

Nice explaination. I totally agree. I don't do a whole lot of command line stuff, though I do know how to use it (not very fast at it though). I like the GUI of Windows, as it is fairly simple and easy to use once you get used to it. And even though Linux and Mac OS is more secure, I have no security problems with Windows XP as I have plenty of protection with Windows Firewall, MS Anti-Spyware, Norton Internet Security (I only use the virus part of it... The firewall takes up a lot of resources and it gets annoying). Besides that, I use FireFox and Opera, and my own common sence, which I might add, is very good.  :P

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Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:39 am Reply and quote this post
I need to explain something to you guys. If you had started using Linux from the beginning, you would've find it MUCH easier to use than Windows. It's just NOW, after you've mastered Windows, it's difficult to learn the ways of Linux.

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I have no security problems with Windows XP as I have plenty of protection with Windows Firewall, MS Anti-Spyware, Norton Internet Security (I only use the virus part of it... The firewall takes up a lot of resources and it gets annoying).


Linux has built-in firewall capabilities which can withstand any attack. However on MS Windows, you need Service Pack 2, Norton AV, Sygate, MS AntiSpyware, etc, etc. See the point? Windows by itself is weak and feeble. It needs a horde of 3rd party software to protect it.

Personally, I like Windows, but the aspect which makes it so insecure is the integration of IE with Windows. Sure, in KDE, Konqueror is integrated with the OS, but Internet Explorer is some of the WORST coding ever done. No joke.

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Besides that, I use FireFox and Opera, and my own common sence, which I might add, is very good.


Once again, 3rd party software. The built-in web browser for Windows is pathetic. With SP2, it is more secure, but I still wouldn't place my bets. Linux comes built in with Konqueror, and a lot of distros lately also come with Firefox & Mozilla Suite (aka Seamonkey).

The main reason I use Windows as my primary OS is the world of software available for the platform. If Linux had MORE software/games, I would DEFINITELY make the switch. But, until then, Linux will just be a \"free-time hobby\" OS.


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Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:41 am Reply and quote this post
All I run for security on my machine is Avast! antivirus, a hardware firewall, and windows firewall.  I don't worry about spyware anymore.  I use firefox (wich prevents any auto-installing spyware) and if I happen to download something that looks like it could be gimicky and include spyware, I'll give it a go on one of my other machines or just dump it. (that was far too long of a sentence...)

As of right now, windows is the only OS that lets me play my games, but I know that there are some Linux flavors that are getting good at it (using very good windows emulation).

Security on Linux isn't much better, its just that it is much less targeted.  Plus, a great number of people who use linux also have a dual-boot machine, so they aren't screwed if they do get attacked or whatever.

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Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:52 am Reply and quote this post
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Security on Linux isn't much better, its just that it is much less targeted.  Plus, a great number of people who use linux also have a dual-boot machine, so they aren't screwed if they do get attacked or whatever.

I would have to disagree.  That isn't the reason why Linux is so secure. Look at Apache. About 70% of servers in the world run on Apache, but these servers never get attacked..

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Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:44 pm Reply and quote this post
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If you had started using Linux from the beginning, you would've find it MUCH easier to use than Windows.


I'd have to disagree. If you know something well, then I suppose you'd find it easier, but why bother learning it in the first place if you can pop in a Windows XP CD? Once it's installed and running, anyone using it is a borderline expert.

Then you just double-click and hit \"Next\" a bunch of times to install stuff, or you manually configure your networking settings in the Network Connections dialogs. No need to go into the command line at all.

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Windows by itself is weak and feeble. It needs a horde of 3rd party software to protect it.


That wouldn't be so true if it weren't so heavily targeted, which it is undeniably the first most targeted operating system in the world. As such, the first line of defense malware coders will attempt to break is the one that they are CERTAIN will be in Windows -- it's own integrated security.

All the same, the Windows Firewall is pretty kickass by itself. We've got a plethora of computers running only that in my house, and, while they suffer more spyware/adware problems than mine, they remain quite secured with the help of Spybot: Search and Destroy and Norton Systemworks.

To close, Windows Vista will be even better, security-wise. Microsoft AntiSpyware is to be integrated into Vista as Windows Defender, and Microsoft's own AntiVirus program will be implemented as well.

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I would have to disagree. That isn't the reason why Linux is so secure. Look at Apache. About 70% of servers in the world run on Apache, but these servers never get attacked.


I'd have to disagree with that. Internet servers get targeted hundreds of times daily. To add to that, how do you attack a Linux server if you don't know how to code malicious scripts that'll run in Linux? Most potential attackers prefer attacking Windows-flavored boxes, because that's what they know how to code for.


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Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:37 pm Reply and quote this post
Eh...I'm glad to be using Windows lol.

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Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:03 pm Reply and quote this post
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Eh...I'm glad to be using Windows lol.

Yeah, me too.

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Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:12 pm Reply and quote this post
i use windows but i have a secondary partition with a linux distro on it. When i went to get apache for my future server (not so long now cmon) i couldnt find a windows version i instead went to get BigApache for windows.


Everyone is right when it comes to linux there will be times when you must go to command line. But now that mandriva has greatly improved ive only ever had to install programs through command, even setting up the OS itself is GUI based not text only.

Linux is becoming more GUI but without some text based commands  it would never really be linux.

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Sun Dec 18, 2005 11:39 am Reply and quote this post
Yeah Command line is really confusing and turns away a lot of n00bs from linux.
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Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:19 pm Reply and quote this post
im a windows user *glad*
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