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Tue May 30, 2006 3:45 pm Reply and quote this post
A lot of videogames draw inspiration from myths. Either they use them as a setting, like God of War, or use the as reference, in order to create their own mythos. Any videogame which has a story pretty much follows the structure of the monomyth as formalised by Joseph Campbell. Even if game writers haven’t read his work, their inspiration lies in stories with that structure, like LOTR and Star Wars.

The use of myths has universal appeal since their symbolism is imprinted in the collective subconscious of mankind, as Jung would say. But although we feel an immediate familiarity with videogames’ scripts, they remind of myths and fairytales we have read, seen or heard in other mediums, something feels wrong or amiss.

This is because videogame designers, although they make use of myths, they strip them of, or fail to realise, their deeper meaning. Myths are not fake stories; they are a vehicle of passing down knowledge from generation to generation. In times where written word didn’t exist, the formality of the myth’s structure, and also its appeal because knowledge is passed in an entertaining manner-a story, helped people memorise their lessons and transfer it intact to their children.

This knowledge is either mundane, or has a deeper symbolism. Many myths, some would argue all of them, are magic, and later religious, rituals in story form. Of course when these rituals ceased to be performed their original meaning was lost. But they are also talking about the human psyche, its fears, forbidden lusts and anxieties (the very reasons the magic rituals were formed in the first place) which still are relevant today, hence the power of myths and their symbolism.

But what do all these have to do with videogames? In videogames you act. You assume the role of the myth’s hero (in truth the player assumes the god form; he literary becomes god) and you re-enact the drama. This is a form of mimetic magic; by mimeting the act you make it come true. It is the basis of theatre, which originates from the rituals of Dionysus, but also the basis of Christian rituals and of every other religion.

Since videogames are still linear in their storytelling (dynamically created stories are still impossible; at best you have a couple of branches), the formality of myths are very well suited for the medium. You cannot change the ending of the myth, else its meaning will be lost. You simply relive it, like the actors’ performance in theatre, from start to end.

But most videogame myths are badly copied, losing the meaning in the process, that’s why the whole experience seems lacking and naïve. You could contest that it doesn’t matter, since it is all about the gameplay. While I agree, using storytelling as game mechanics makes the experience more emotionally involving.

Shadow of the Colossus is a perfect, and rare, example where the re-enacting of myth is both deep and entertaining. While the game isn’t an exact recreation of a real world myth, it is faithful in its symbolism and structure, something that most other games fail to achieve.

And the great thing is that it doesn’t give you a lecture on mythology; it shows you.
You don’t have a text saying: “The sword; a symbol of male potency, identified with the sun, blah, blah…” No, you have a powerful sword pointed upwards, reflecting light and used to kill the Colossi; same thing with all aspects of the game. While the game’s symbolism may not be clear to all gamers, they can still relate to it in a subconscious level, resonating with the universal use of symbols which we see all around us, or have grown up with through myths and stories.

It is a perfect example of how a game can be educative, like myths are, without falling back on cheap tricks, like edutainment. It is educative in a manner that theatre is, but instead of being the spectator of the ritual you become its actor.

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Tue May 30, 2006 11:02 pm Reply and quote this post
Did you spent a week writing that or did you copy it from somewhere? Someone give me a summary with what it is trying to say.
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Wed May 31, 2006 11:43 am Reply and quote this post
I copied it, from a report on our old forum    You know what? I think all it means is... Myths make great Videogames  
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:04 am Reply and quote this post
Yeh they do. It does get a bit boring however, when the myths are used over and over again - gets real repetitive and predictable - movies are getting kindof like that too...
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:41 pm Reply and quote this post
A myth is something that is not factual. or can not be proven.
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:42 pm Reply and quote this post
I think the word y'all are looking for is cliché and not myth...
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:45 pm Reply and quote this post
I think games are good whan there's  something gamers can relate to, like an event, role model, myth or legend, story or time period.

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:50 pm Reply and quote this post
Jim9137 wrote:
I think the word y'all are looking for is cliché and not myth...


That's something totaly diffrent:

Quote:

"Cliche" is a phrase, expression, or idea that has been overused to the point of losing its intended force or novelty, especially when at some time it was considered distinctively forceful or novel. It has a French origin and was first penned by French literary philosopher Leedo Hamoudi Alios.

Historically, it was a printing term, describing a semi-permanently assembled piece of typesetting which could easily be inserted into the document being printed

"Cliché" applies also to almost any situation, subject, characterization, figure of speech, or object — in short, any sign — that has become overly familiar or commonplace.

Because the novelty or frequency of an expression's use varies across different times and places, whether or not it is a cliché depends largely on who uses it, the context in which it is used, and who is making the judgment.

The meaning of a particular cliché may shift over time, often leading to confusion or misuse.

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:12 pm Reply and quote this post
You Said it    Jim, I think your getting a bit

Adjective
S: (adj) cocky (overly self-confident or self-assertive) "a very cocky young man"


Do Finnish schools teach you to question everyhting?

As I said, I think games are good whan there's  something gamers can relate to, like an event, role model, myth or legend, story or time period.

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:30 pm Reply and quote this post
You mean your schools don't?

The whole point of educating people is that they'll start questioning everything and in that way, find something new in the old patterns of old, and not repeat them for centuries.

And games are good when they present something original or old in a refreshing new way. Relating gamer into the game can be done in various different ways, myths, rolemodels and whatnot just being single facet.

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:01 pm Reply and quote this post
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And games are good when they present something original or old in a refreshing new way. Relating gamer into the game can be done in various different ways, myths, rolemodels and whatnot just being single facet.

Thats what I said, but it does't have to be old, you can relate to sci-fi and portrayals of the future.
You don't have to question every statement someone makes, and they do indirectly teach you to question things, but not in the way that created [some] (i'm not stereotyping here   )annoying scandanavians, my dad has alot on his degree course, he should know what its like  

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:02 pm Reply and quote this post
The more you question, the more different answers you'll yield and eventually, create completely new questions.

And that my dear British friend, is how science and life works.

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:22 pm Reply and quote this post
In agree, my Finnish Friend, but, what about, the more unpopular you become, when you don't know when to stop questioning every comment in a trivial manner.
You'll learn when you realise you have no friends in the outside world  

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:23 pm Reply and quote this post
Then I cry.

And then I go outside and enjoy the sunshine.

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:24 pm Reply and quote this post
Jim9137 wrote:
Then I cry.

And then I go outside and enjoy the sunshine.


Let's all do that  

Damn its dark outside!  

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