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Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:16 pm Reply and quote this post
Ok back to girl gaming, in gaming culture, why shouldnt girls be called that, just we refer to men as guys.

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Im not being drawn into that,as all it was intended for was a joke,and if you cant see that then thats your fault.
I call my wife Babe,is that such a bad thing-get a grip

Don't worry mark, most foriegners don't get English jokes, even just a bit of fun, they are offended by, they take alot of things to literally, my dad has the same problem when he makes a joke with his foreign students.

My Oxford English dictionary says:
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3. Slang A young woman.

Ok, and it's not discriminatory, agaist who would it be discriminatory?
The E3 girls on the booths are officially referred to as Booth Babes.
The jokes on you Andurion  

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Also I think boys have to look away from the stereotypical view that girls are crap at computers and games because this is just simply not true, A BBC poll actually showed that girls used more technology than boys and this relates directly into games as more girls are playing more games for longer hours.

I never thought girls were "crap" at computer games, and gaming is different to technology, post your sources I'd be interested to know weather technology meant cooker or Iron


In reference to I L O V E
[quote]^.^ espoecially teh ones with teh lights out!!!

anyone ever play on a dark maze map? where u have 2 find yer way tew teh top with only yer flashlight? those are CREEPY as well. im uploading one on my server, we will have a maze night 2gether =]/quote]
Although she is very good looking, she is a girl gamer, but what I quote above, indicates she might be a slightly different type of girl gamer; I don't need to comment, but seriously now, read my post below.

I also found out about When game developer Sheri Graner Ray attended her first Game Developers Conference in 1992, she was one of just a handful of women at the event.

When she delivered a talk on women and games that year, "they said, 'Why are we even bothering to listen to you? Girls don't play games.'"

Fast-forward 13 years. Ray says she was told that about 1,000 women attended the 2005 Game Developers Conference, representing 10 percent of those present. Ray, who has devoted her career to making games--and the industry--friendlier to women, can take such progress personally. In 1993, the year after her first GDC, she held a GDC women's roundtable that became the seed for her volunteer organization, Girls in Games.

Also I found this interesting on BBC...

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"It is good that we are having female competitions," says 24-year-old Louise Thomsen, another member of the DoMe clan, known online as Aurora.


Counter-Strike is 99\0ale, so females that do come into this world feel overpowered or that they are not welcomed.
But it's hard for female teams like DoMe to be taken seriously and attract the kind of backing that top male clans enjoy.

Louise Thomsen
"But it is two steps up and one step down as we are segregating males and females. It's saying that the girls aren't as good as the males."

Ms Thomsen was also introduced to computers at an early age. When she first came across Counter-Strike, she thought the game looked boring. After giving it a try, she was hooked.

"It's like reading a book," she says. "You can sit by yourself and entertain yourself. You are in a world of your own, in your own little world."


Part of the blame can be laid at the door of the games industry.


The DoMe team in Las Vegas
Traditionally, video games have been made by men for men, with many believing that women are only interested in role-playing, puzzles or adventure games.
Game developers
Female gamers dispute this, saying that what makes a great game and what appeals to women is subjective.

"It is stupid to put female labels on games, it is better to appeal to the individual," says Ms Thomsen.

, I think, will create more games that suit male and females (not special "female" games, but it will be hard to overcome the "Gaming Culture" that is very male orientated. Think about Film and TV, you don't really get alot Male ony  and Female only films do you?

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Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:17 pm Reply and quote this post
well I guess there is a good point here things like Babe can be offensive to girls and women in general but it can also mean that your talkin about a baby.
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:38 am Reply and quote this post
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Don't worry mark, most foriegners don't get English jokes, even just a bit of fun, they are offended by, they take alot of things to literally, my dad has the same problem when he makes a joke with his foreign students.


Lol@Sam ,Being called a Babe is more of a compliment,I call most females Babes in my everyday life,and Ive never upset anyone or seen any women chaining themselves to railings because of that fact.


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Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:02 pm Reply and quote this post
atomic77 wrote:
well I guess there is a good point here things like Babe can be offensive to girls and women in general but it can also mean that your talkin about a baby.


Well if you'd say babe to a girl in germany, she usually wouldn't like it...
But I guess the meaning changed when it was imported.

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Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:18 pm Reply and quote this post
Yeah, either that or my comment about foreigners, probaby becuase of the fact that the English language is the most complex language, and english words are used in nearly ever language or culture. The meanings may be interpreted differently as a result of the country's culture that adopts the English Word. It may also be how people are borught up a bit narrow minded

Back to topic i.e refer to my previous post please

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Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:38 pm Reply and quote this post
I would have thought that eastern European languages were harder to learn, or Chinese, which has 50,000 characters in its alphabet (with multiple different ways to pronounce each one). On top of that, Chinese has dialects which have completely different pronunciations e.g. Mandarin and Cantonese, which both use the same alphabet and meanings, but are pronounced completely differently.

I found French to be much more complex than English - there are so many verb forms - making something past tense does not include adding a letter or two (like in English), but also changing several words in the sentence (usually almost all the words).

Anyway, back to the topic. I don't know what the debate is....if girls are gamers, I don't care. They are bound to be as good as guys maybe even better - girls are proven to be better at multitasking (so they should be uber-micro, as FPS Doug would say).

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Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:22 pm Reply and quote this post
I'm not saying english is harder to learn, just a comment about how complex it can be, with dialect and how it's words can be used in so many contexts, and also how many foreigners misunderstand english humor.
I didnt mean complexity in a literal term, as to how easy it is to learn, but considering most people in the world can speak some english, people wont find it hard if they are brought up with it.

I didn't think you needed to Multitask in a game; my computer does that for me.  

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Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:14 pm Reply and quote this post
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I didn't think you needed to Multitask in a game; my computer does that for me.


I was getting desperate for points....

Yeah i guess that is right. Many foreignors can speak and write English better than many native speakers though. Because they are taught it better (i.e. in a more literal way), so they understand a lot of the verb structures etc.. I.e. the difference between 'fewer' and 'less', which few native speakers know.

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Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:38 am Reply and quote this post
i suck at english aldo i do my best to make me understandeble.

my problem is i never have any one who teached me the lanquage , i did it all my self... so yes i write sentence not in the right way , i make typo's

but who gives a damn, aslong people understand you and you understand them


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Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:23 pm Reply and quote this post
  Your ok at English, i'm not saying that, its just that foreigners dont always understand humor, and the way people's sentences in britian are structures, just like we English people might not understand some french humor (whatever that it )

Foreigners are not "taught it better", they usually make alot of mistakes unless you are truly multilingual, speaking to alot of foreigners, I notice the word on work is mistaken for at for example, but I wasnt talking about that, read the above paragraph.

Back to Girl Gamer Topic Please, Yuna? Answer to the next point!


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We are utterly incapable of understanding the rules.
Once, I heard a gamer comment, “Hey, man, she’s a girl. Girls don’t get the rules; it’s like a math thing or something.” Buddy, I’ll out-math you any time… and then I’ll tear you into tiny little pieces and eat you for breakfast. We are quite capable of understanding the rules, if you’d explain them in something that approximates English, or loosen your death-hold on the rulebook and just let us read them for ourselves.

We flutter our eyelashes at GMs to get our way.
I did that once. The GM very politely gave me what I wanted and, then, I realized I didn’t want it after all (because, as we all know, a good GM gives you what you want and then makes you regret having ever asked). The end result was that I had to extract my foot from my mouth. If you let girl gamers walk all over you as a player or a GM, more fool you. You need to get out and date more, friend.

We hate other girl gamers.
Well, sure! Why not? After all, other girl gamers might hog all the GGPs and then we’d be out some valuable prizes. We have to protect our territory, after all. Get real. If a true girl gamer can’t stand another girl in your group, it’s either a personal thing or maybe that girl is one of those fake-scheming-break-up-the-group types we’ve been discussing.

We don’t appreciate a good combat.
Correction: We do appreciate a good combat. What we don’t do is a) get sexually aroused over it or b) spend hours upon hours memorizing the caliber and number of shots for a revolver that was last used with regularity in the 1950s. We’ve got better things to do than memorize gun statistics. Like planning out how to spend out GGPs, for instance.

Because we are girls, you cannot hope to understand anything about us, including our roleplaying.
Well… maybe there’s a bit of truth in that one, after all. J


Do you understand the rules?
Do you flutter your eyelashes at GMs to get your way?
Do you hate other girl gamers?
Do you appreciate a good combat?

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Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:24 am Reply and quote this post
French humour?! That's both an oxymoron and a paradox!

I'm certain that I must have played girl gamers, but I don't know when. You can't really tell them apart from guy gamers online. Most of their names are equally stupid to the guys' names (e.g. stupid references to WoW - e.g. NightElf99, DarkWarlock5433, Undead_Rogue_Killer_lvl34 etc).

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Tue Jun 20, 2006 3:28 am Reply and quote this post
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1Do you understand the rules?
2Do you flutter your eyelashes at GMs to get your way?
3Do you hate other girl gamers?
4Do you appreciate a good combat?


1:  rules , i know them but rules are there to be broken
2: naaa why would i , i am a clanleader everyone listen to me
3: well girl gamers who are to female i dislike , but girl gamers how are more male acting in the game scene i love but still prefer to have man around me also in the games
Yes there is a other CSS player in my clan who is a girl , and she is just sweet!
4: I adore good combats, and i hate whining,camping and other shit you can think of

hope you got your awnsers

next

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Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:09 am Reply and quote this post
I game alot. If i am bored with writing stories or songs or playing music i play games like the sims 2 and challenging games.
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Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:29 am Reply and quote this post
h mmm sims 2 i got that somewere but i dont like it i prefer more shooters and final fantasy likeble games on the pc like guildwars
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Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:34 am Reply and quote this post
What is a 'challenging' game, btw?

My sister likes Sims 2. I don't.  

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