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Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:01 pm Reply and quote this post
Read this article and look at the benchmarks.

http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1813/


The 7800GT/GTX is able to outperform the X1800XT in almost every game, and in the ones where the X1800XT prevails, the 7800GTX's in SLI outperform that.

Hopefully, R520 in AMR will provide much more performance. I think we are all looking forward towards that.

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Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:04 pm Reply and quote this post
I am really, extremely suprised that it is worse than the 7800GTX.  I can't believe ATI would spend that much time on it, just to have it basically fail.
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:33 am Reply and quote this post
It did not necessarily fail, it just did not live up to its expectations.
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:46 am Reply and quote this post
Well, I'd say it failed.  I mean, it almost never beat the 7800GTX, and when it did, it never beat the 7800GTX by much.  For a card to come out 2-3 months later than the opponent, and not be any better, I'd call that failing.

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Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:09 am Reply and quote this post
Why are they comparing ATIs not finalised graphics system with Nvidias matured architecture and drivers? Just completely ignore those stupid benchmarks and wait for the final product. Until then don't draw any conclusions uch as which is better.

Also look at this.
http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=3069

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Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:50 am Reply and quote this post
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Why are they comparing ATIs not finalised graphics system with Nvidias matured architecture and drivers? Just completely ignore those stupid benchmarks and wait for the final product. Until then don't draw any conclusions uch as which is better.

Also look at this.
http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=3069

I saw that article, but it wasn't Sander who posted those benchmarks. Those benchmarks are from one of ATI's Taiwanese partners.

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Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:29 am Reply and quote this post
lets just wait till we start seeing them in there crossfire to know who is best.
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Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:56 pm Reply and quote this post
Exactly. We cannot confirm whether the writer of that article is using correct facts, so let us wait. :)
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Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:25 pm Reply and quote this post
Looks like the ATI X1800XT is a match for the 7800 series after all!
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Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:42 pm Reply and quote this post
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Looks like the ATI X1800XT is a match for the 7800 series after all!

Yes, due to the fact that the clock speeds of the X1800's were increased after this article was released.

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Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:28 pm Reply and quote this post
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Yes, due to the fact that the clock speeds of the X1800's were increased after this article was released.


How many of you know about Board Revisions here?

ATi and Nvidia test the performance of a card by releasing several board revisions (example: Rev01, Rev02, Rev03, etc.) in their labs.   What Sander's review states that the Board isn't the final revision, its an older revision, hence they cannot give the accurate results. Because the final revision of the Board clearly states that, the Core has been increased to another 25Mhz and the Memory to another 50Mhz.

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Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:33 pm Reply and quote this post
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Yes, due to the fact that the clock speeds of the X1800's were increased after this article was released.


How many of you know about Board Revisions here?

ATi and Nvidia test the performance of a card by releasing several board revisions (example: Rev01, Rev02, Rev03, etc.) in their labs.   What Sander's review states that the Board isn't the final revision, its an older revision, hence they cannot give the accurate results. Because the final revision of the Board clearly states that, the Core has been increased to another 25Mhz and the Memory to another 50Mhz.

That may be true.  But I even predicted that ATI would do this, just to 'prove' Sander wrong.

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Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:51 pm Reply and quote this post
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Yes, due to the fact that the clock speeds of the X1800's were increased after this article was released.


How many of you know about Board Revisions here?

ATi and Nvidia test the performance of a card by releasing several board revisions (example: Rev01, Rev02, Rev03, etc.) in their labs.   What Sander's review states that the Board isn't the final revision, its an older revision, hence they cannot give the accurate results. Because the final revision of the Board clearly states that, the Core has been increased to another 25Mhz and the Memory to another 50Mhz.

I never stated or implied that they increased the clock speed due to Sander's article. I was implying that when Sander tested it, the clock speeds were much lower than when ATI released the product. I doubt it has anything to do with ATI increasing clock speeds because of Sander's benchmarks. But then again, seeing ATI's behavior lately, such a move could be possible.

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Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:13 am Reply and quote this post
No, Sander was right with those benchmarks, that was pre-production card, an earlier revision.  But ATI also not trying to prove Sander wrong, because the final revision of the Board is Rev05 with increased Core and Memory speed.  And Rev02 board might have 500Mhz Core Speed with 650Mhz Memory. Those were preliminary scores and Sander also said it many times.

And more importantly Catalysts 5.11 are first official drivers for it.  Expect performance to go up, as they already developed a fix for OpenGL games, which is going to be an integral part of those Catalysts.

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Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:15 pm Reply and quote this post
Its still too little to late in my opinion. ATI have come to the party too far behind. They should have released a undoubted king of the hill and let nvidia play catch up. So after the 6/8 mnth delay they release an equal card.

SHAME ON U ATI :angry:

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