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Well, I think ATI is doing a great job. They seem to be taking a different direction. ATI's new Avivo technology is sure to bring NVIDIA to there knees. Some powerful stuff there.
Now, ATI had problems with there 90nm process, this happens. But right now, they have been working hard on the new R580 cores which have been a great success. A completely different team of engineers were working on the R580.
So, it looks to me that ATI is not only going for speed, but for massive image quality performance. They also have a Open GL hack (coming soon to Cat 5.11) which in turn will let ATI cards gain about [span style='color:blue']30% performance boost in games like DOOM 3.
But there is a neat trick to this so called hack or should I say patch, they will work faster when you adjust your quality setting & enable Anti-Aliasing to 4x & Anisotropic Filtering to 8x.
By doing this, you will not only get a performance boost in speed, but you will also get amazing quality also.[/span]
So, what do you all say about that? ;)
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Now, ATI had problems with there 90nm process, this happens. But right now, they have been working hard on the new R580 cores which have been a great success. A completely different team of engineers were working on the R580.
How in the world do you know it's a great success???? That's what you ATI fanboys said about R520, and look at what happened.
There was already a press release regarding the success of the R580 Core. But ATI is tite lipped with its performance. But the yields are well over what they have expected ;)
There was already a press release regarding the success of the R580 Core. But ATI is tite lipped with its performance. But the yields are well over what they have expected ;)
Right. And how many press releases were there about the R520 having 32pipes? Wait, no, now it's 24 pipes. Wait a sec, sorry, we've changed it again. Now we're down to a measly 16 pipes. Sorry about the hype, guys.
Yes, Josh makes a very good point. I also remember the hype about the X800XT being able to outperform the 6800 Ultra by 40%. When the card finally came out and went into the hands of websites & end users, these numbers didn't show up.
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That may be true. But I even predicted that ATI would do this, just to 'prove' Sander wrong.
I highly doubt that. Sander's article is a perfect jewel of what to do in order to not be regarded as a \"professional journalist\" and \"reviewer.\" He begins the article with a sob story between him and ATI, and then announces that, quote; \"By cutting us off however we?ve just been given a new incentive to work harder to break the news when we get a chance, in our usual no holds barred fashion.\"
Wow. As if that doesn't clue in the reader that this man is manically angry at ATI, I don't know what does. Well, perhaps the X1800 XT LOSING in Half-Life 2 might. But, no, the vast collective of Borg (also known as Nvidia fanboys) continue to mindlessly read on, listening to the anti-ATI drone that is of little value beyond wasted internet bandwidth.
Yeah, that article is crap. I respect Mr. Sassen as a journalist, but... several of his articles I have found to be biased towards one company or another. As a result, Hardware Analysis is, generally speaking my \"grain of salt\" of review sites.
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I doubt it has anything to do with ATI increasing clock speeds because of Sander's benchmarks. But then again, seeing ATI's behavior lately, such a move could be possible.
In defense of ATI, I would've done exactly what they did after Sander's benchmark came out. Sander is the victim of his own actions.
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ATI's new Avivo technology is sure to bring NVIDIA to there knees. Some powerful stuff there.
I'm compelled to disagree. AVIVO is merely a platform, just like Centrino. VIIV is Intel's version of AVIVO, it isn't technology, it's how certain technologies are implemented (and then marketed with a cool logo and a couple blue guys ;)).
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How in the world do you know it's a great success???? That's what you ATI fanboys said about R520, and look at what happened.
The X1800 XT beats a single 7800 GTX, and sometimes beats two of 'em. Your point?
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Right. And how many press releases were there about the R520 having 32pipes?
Truth be told, I've heard this from people in forum posts as opposed to established, credible websites. I've not seen a single press release about the \"32-pipeline R520.\" As such, I'm not going to run around
I'm complled to state also that... it's a little unfair to get on ATI, and then fumble when other companies do the same dang thing. Darling little AMD pulled a \"megahertz myth\" of their own when they released the 64-bit chip. 64-bit applications don't demonstrate nearly the performance boost AMD purveyed they would, why aren't people all over AMD?
That may be true. But I even predicted that ATI would do this, just to 'prove' Sander wrong.
I highly doubt that. Sander's article is a perfect jewel of what to do in order to not be regarded as a \"professional journalist\" and \"reviewer.\" He begins the article with a sob story between him and ATI, and then announces that, quote; \"By cutting us off however we?ve just been given a new incentive to work harder to break the news when we get a chance, in our usual no holds barred fashion.\"
Wow. As if that doesn't clue in the reader that this man is manically angry at ATI, I don't know what does. Well, perhaps the X1800 XT LOSING in Half-Life 2 might. But, no, the vast collective of Borg (also known as Nvidia fanboys) continue to mindlessly read on, listening to the anti-ATI drone that is of little value beyond wasted internet bandwidth.
Yeah, that article is crap. I respect Mr. Sassen as a journalist, but... several of his articles I have found to be biased towards one company or another. As a result, Hardware Analysis is, generally speaking my \"grain of salt\" of review sites.
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I doubt it has anything to do with ATI increasing clock speeds because of Sander's benchmarks. But then again, seeing ATI's behavior lately, such a move could be possible.
In defense of ATI, I would've done exactly what they did after Sander's benchmark came out. Sander is the victim of his own actions.
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ATI's new Avivo technology is sure to bring NVIDIA to there knees. Some powerful stuff there.
I'm compelled to disagree. AVIVO is merely a platform, just like Centrino. VIIV is Intel's version of AVIVO, it isn't technology, it's how certain technologies are implemented (and then marketed with a cool logo and a couple blue guys ;)).
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How in the world do you know it's a great success???? That's what you ATI fanboys said about R520, and look at what happened.
The X1800 XT beats a single 7800 GTX, and sometimes beats two of 'em. Your point?
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Right. And how many press releases were there about the R520 having 32pipes?
Truth be told, I've heard this from people in forum posts as opposed to established, credible websites. I've not seen a single press release about the \"32-pipeline R520.\" As such, I'm not going to run around
I'm complled to state also that... it's a little unfair to get on ATI, and then fumble when other companies do the same dang thing. Darling little AMD pulled a \"megahertz myth\" of their own when they released the 64-bit chip. 64-bit applications don't demonstrate nearly the performance boost AMD purveyed they would, why aren't people all over AMD?
The X800XT does not beat 2 7800GTX's nor even a single 7800GTX at everything. That is pure ATI fanboy talk.
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The X800XT does not beat 2 7800GTX's nor even a single 7800GTX at everything. That is pure ATI fanboy talk.
Yeah, actually, you're right. I stand corrected... though... it's still an impressive overclocker. That can't really be used as grounds against 2 GTX's in SLI... though... they can be overclocked too. :D
The X800XT does not beat 2 7800GTX's nor even a single 7800GTX at everything. That is pure ATI fanboy talk.
Yeah, actually, you're right. I stand corrected... though... it's still an impressive overclocker. That can't really be used as grounds against 2 GTX's in SLI... though... they can be overclocked too. :D
It's already a proven FACT that 2 x X1800XT's in Crossfire beat 2 x 7800GTX's in SLI in every single benchmark known to man.
Now the 7800GTX 512MB x 2 is a different story, ATI will probably anwer that with 2 x X1800XT PE's.
I am not too sure what name will ATI pick for R580, seems like, it could be X1800XT PE or very well could be X1850XT also. From what I know about R580 (Reply to 7800GTX 512MB) that, .. its a very very Powerful chip.
And No, R580 won't have 24 Pixel Pipelines.....errrrrr ....later ;)
G80 has Unified Architecture if I am right,... and R580 does not have Unified Architecture, which probably means G80 will be quite Powerfull than R580. R600 which has Unified Architecture also, would be out to compete G80.
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I am not too sure what name will ATI pick for R580, seems like, it could be X1800XT PE or very well could be X1850XT also. From what I know about R580 (Reply to 7800GTX 512MB) that, .. its a very very Powerful chip.
And No, R580 won't have 24 Pixel Pipelines.....errrrrr ....later ;)
G80 has Unified Architecture if I am right,... and R580 does not have Unified Architecture, which probably means G80 will be quite Powerfull than R580. R600 which has Unified Architecture also, would be out to compete G80.
Actually, R580 was supposed to compete with G80. Don't know why ATI lowered their standards for the R580 to compete with the G70 (780GTX 512MB).
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I am not too sure what name will ATI pick for R580, seems like, it could be X1800XT PE or very well could be X1850XT also. From what I know about R580 (Reply to 7800GTX 512MB) that, .. its a very very Powerful chip.
And No, R580 won't have 24 Pixel Pipelines.....errrrrr ....later ;)
G80 has Unified Architecture if I am right,... and R580 does not have Unified Architecture, which probably means G80 will be quite Powerfull than R580. R600 which has Unified Architecture also, would be out to compete G80.
Actually, R580 was supposed to compete with G80. Don't know why ATI lowered their standards for the R580 to compete with the G70 (780GTX 512MB).
No, because R580 doesn't have Unified Architecture, but R600 & G80 both has Unified Architecture.
I am not too sure what name will ATI pick for R580, seems like, it could be X1800XT PE or very well could be X1850XT also. From what I know about R580 (Reply to 7800GTX 512MB) that, ..? its a very very Powerful chip.
And No, R580 won't have 24 Pixel Pipelines.....errrrrr ....later ;)
G80 has Unified Architecture if I am right,... and R580 does not have Unified Architecture, which probably means G80 will be quite Powerfull than R580.? R600 which has Unified Architecture also, would be out to compete G80.
Actually, R580 was supposed to compete with G80. Don't know why ATI lowered their standards for the R580 to compete with the G70 (780GTX 512MB).
No, because R580 doesn't have Unified Architecture, but R600 & G80 both has Unified Architecture.
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