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ATI or NVIDIA
ATI
44%
 44% 15
NVIDIA
55%
 55% 19
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Total Votes : 34
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:50 pm Reply and quote this post
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Ok, he said \"imagine,\" but there is no way to imagine anything in the IT world, since most things turn out unexpected.

You took the words right out of my mouth  :P  This is why Imagination plays a very very large roll in innovation & technology.

Well, ATI is working on something to cripple ATI's flag ship 7800GTX 512MB, and I am thinking that it's the X1850XT or the X1800XT PE.

But you have to admit that ATI's 16 pipes gives NVIDIA's 24 pipes a run for there money.

Nothing like a 3D Mark score ye KoolDrew
   ;)

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Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:01 am Reply and quote this post
It's a tie again.

I admire ATI far more as a company goes. ATI projects a much more outwardly professional attitude than Nvidia. I also find that ATI's attitude to their business sector is less of, \"WE CATER TO 1337 GAMERZ,\" and more of, \"The GPU is a tool to computing.\" They see their product as something more than something to give you better frame rates in games. ATI focuses on GPU-assisted media playback and image enhancement, where once again, Nvidia's eyes haven't moved from cranking up the frames per second. ATI also didn't ditch AGP with this current generation. The X1600 XT was to be AGP the whole time, and the X1800 XT is ALSO going to go AGP as of a recent announcment.

Nvidia doesn't capture that with me. With Nvidia, I see a company analgous to a jealous child who HAS to be in first. They were the ones who released SLI, which I feel to be a bane rather than a boon to the computing world. SLI has done nothing but allowed game developers to release games with less efficient graphics engines with all kinds of eye candy, and the only people who will get to enjoy that eye-candy are people with SLI. Nvidia has refused to allow ATI's CrossFire to work in Nvidia-chipset motherboards. I've also found that Nvidia gets its grimy little fingers in and around game developers to \"optimize\" that game for an Nvidia card as in Doom 3. In Doom 3's case, however, the game wasn't so much \"optmized for Nvidia\" so much as it was \"shot to heck for ATI.\"

I have also noted ATI cards tend to scale better as resolutions go higher and higher. Only in the X1k-series is that not property not apparent, but in the Xxxx-series cards, the \"equivalent\" ATI card wouldn't suffer the sharp dropoffs in performance at higher resolutions that Nvidia cards faced. They are also able to add more image enhancements (anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering) without taking as serious performance hit as, once again, the \"equivalent\" Nvidia cards. And then, to top it all off, the \"equivalent\" Nvidia card is generally more expensive.

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Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:35 am Reply and quote this post
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Nothing like a 3D Mark score ye KoolDrew


Yeah, nobody cares about how well the cards perform in games. I mean, who buys a video card to play games?

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Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:00 pm Reply and quote this post
More interesting stuff.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2609

Read the last line on that page.

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Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:23 pm Reply and quote this post
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More interesting stuff.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2609

Read the last line on that page.

Yes, I've read that the day it was on there site. Now they say that 2 x X1800XT's in crossfire beat 2 x 7800GTX's in SLI by far. Now that is good news for people that want to go the Crossfire route.

And they are also talking about a new X1800 card possibly called the X1800XT PE or even the X1850XT. Who knows :)  Never the less, ATI's cards are looking more promising & with Drivers to take full advantage, there is no telling when they will stop pounding FPS  ;)

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Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:30 pm Reply and quote this post
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More interesting stuff.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2609

Read the last line on that page.

I'm sure they didn't test the 7800GTX 512MB in SLI vs. X1800XT's in Crossfire.

Let's wait for the results to come out before we make any judgements.

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Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:06 am Reply and quote this post
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Quote:
More interesting stuff.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2609

Read the last line on that page.

Yes, I've read that the day it was on there site. Now they say that 2 x X1800XT's in crossfire beat 2 x 7800GTX's in SLI by far. Now that is good news for people that want to go the Crossfire route.

And they are also talking about a new X1800 card possibly called the X1800XT PE or even the X1850XT. Who knows :)  Never the less, ATI's cards are looking more promising & with Drivers to take full advantage, there is no telling when they will stop pounding FPS  ;)

Stop pounding fps?  They just started to catch up with the X1xxx series but then got beat down in the high end again by the 7800GTX 512.

nVidia still has a pretty firm hold on the market, ATI has a lot of work to do.

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Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:30 am Reply and quote this post
We shall see when ATI releases there X1800XT PE B)
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Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:51 am Reply and quote this post
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Stop pounding fps? They just started to catch up with the X1xxx series but then got beat down in the high end again by the 7800GTX 512


Hardly. ATI's first X-series cards (X700, X800, etc.) were all quite competitive to their nVidia challengers. The X800 XL was easily the better purchase over the 6800 GT, and the X800 GTO kicked the 6600 GT's butt. The X850 is just fecking fast, it's on par with or juuuust shy of the 7800 GT.

That's fast.

And it's on AGP.

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Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:54 am Reply and quote this post
Nvidia, I supose. So far, their cards have always worked perfectly fine for me, and I find them smoother than ATI, though, I havn't tried out the latest ones, the highest one I've tried out is my current ATI Radeon 9700, that one owns the ones I've tried with Nvidia, but yeah, the majority rules.
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Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:27 pm Reply and quote this post
Well, it's nice to see ATI winning in colour & image quality over NVIDIA.

Let's see what the new R580 & G71 do, that should make it easy for people to choose. I for one, am going R580 by far. I rather have HDTV you know  ;)

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Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:09 am Reply and quote this post
Some Info for yall on the X1800XT 512 performance in games and benchmarks.

All tests where done with a Single X1800XT stock cooling

Core speeds 750 Mhz memory speeds 1800 Mhz

First in game quality

http://www.sitesled.com/members/pcgeek/scr...19-18-01-01.bmp

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Following setings are used in every game and every fraps test.

http://tinypic.com/iycsyc.jpg

Driver settings are

aa set to 6x
Adaptive aa set to quality
AF 16x with high quality AF on
AI set to advanced
mip map detail set to high quality

Game set to

PC - maximum
graphics - maximum
1600x1200

As you can see kick butt in games FPS toppled  7800 GT OC SLI running 492 1.22. They seem to match the 7800 GTX 512 ruining 660 1820.

now for benchmarks

3dmark05  10,740 - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1591516

3dmark03

19,944

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4490416

As you can see its a truly kick butt card in quality , benchmarks and in game FPS.

temps for this GPU are all 100% stock air cooling 30c idol 47c max load Idol is based on 2D speeds set default 600 1400

max load is set at 3D 750 1800


Last edited by pcgeekin2006 on Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:09 am; edited 1 time in total

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Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:32 am Reply and quote this post
Nice Benchies PCGEEK.

Can't wait to get the X1900XT or XTX.

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Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:36 pm Reply and quote this post
It seems to me ATI is falling behind more and more. To me, the only plusses they have is they manage to get better clock speeds, smaller cards, less power, and crossfire is designed better for compatibility.
BUT, Nvidia is better due to smart pipelines which makes faster clock speeds pointless. PCIE-2 8800s are much smaller, so I'm assuming they generate less heat due to a lower wattage. I could be wrong about that though.
SLi is much more effective than crossfire and Nvidia was also the first to use DX10.
ATI had their glory with the 9800, Nvidia has theirs with the 8800 which has been out for about 2 years and has barely been upgraded. That says something.

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